The $20 Pill Billionaires are Taking to Live Forever (#458)

1. 0:00 – 1:15

   Intro

   1. SPSam Parr0:00

      And then we have another guy, Larry Ellison, billionaire guy, you know, 50 billion plus. He started Oracle. He says, "Death has never made any sense to me. How can a person be there and just vanish and just not be there?"

   2. SPShaan Puri0:11

      [laughs] Was he stoned when he said that?

   3. SPSam Parr0:15

      Yeah. [laughs] [upbeat music] Dude, I got a lot of stuff to talk about today. Do you?

   4. SPShaan Puri0:27

      Yeah. I'm excited. To, I'm excited to see... But, you know, I wanna say something. Um, people have been a little bit spoiled by this podcast, I, I gotta say. I gotta say, a little spoiled. Um, people just expect that every single episode is gonna be a banger. Every single episode is just gonna spring a little smile to your face, put a little money in your pocket, give you a little nugget of wisdom that you might be able to, to say to somebody throughout the day, and they think y- you are, you are that wise. And I think people got a little spoiled, and not every podcast is gonna be a banger. Not every podcast is gonna deliver... Not every day is gonna be one of those days. Some days you just don't have it. But today is not that day. Today we have it.

   5. SPSam Parr1:06

      You have it too?

   6. SPShaan Puri1:07

      And, uh, I just, I, I just looked at the document. I saw what you had on there. I don't know what anything about these topics. I'm excited to hear what you got.

   7. SPSam Parr1:13

      Let me bring up the first topic.

2. 1:15 – 16:50

   Rich people and health

   1. SPShaan Puri1:16

      Okay.

   2. SPSam Parr1:16

      Rich people and health, and I'm talking, like, really rich people.

   3. SPShaan Puri1:20

      [laughs]

   4. SPSam Parr1:21

      And the reason I was interested in this is Sam Altman, all the rage right now. Sam Altman, you know, uh, helped run Y Combinator, and then now is the CEO of OpenAI, and he's in the news because he did this, like, thing in front of the Senate, and he was very endearing. He's, he, he's incredibly likable, not, and, and, and he's also very successful. I read this article, and it said something about... Two things that st- stood out. It said something like he put all of his m- liquid net worth. So he said in this article, he goes, "I basically put 100% of my liquid net worth into two companies. The first is Helion Energy." He invested his own money, $375 million of his own money. And the second business, uh, was called Retro. It's a health company. He invested $180 million. So that kind of caught my eye.

   5. SPShaan Puri2:12

      And b- by the way, remember, we did a segment on Sam, I don't know, a couple months ago, and it was because I had read this thing that Sam Altman led the round in Helion with 300-something million dollars. And I started texting people being like, "H- how much money does Sam have that he's investing 300 million into a single company? Uh, is he... Does he have a fund? Does he secretly have a fund?" And some people were like, "No, I..." He might have a fund. I'm, it wouldn't be a surprise, but I think this was his, I think this was personal.

   6. SPSam Parr2:39

      Right.

   7. SPShaan Puri2:39

      And it just didn't make sense, and we did this whole deep dive 'cause that one number just sounded outrageous, and now this is some new information that he's saying, "Yeah, I actually did put all my eggs in two basket. Uh, two, two eggs in one basket."

   8. SPSam Parr2:51

      In a recent article, uh, the quote is that, or there's a quote from him admitting, he goes, "I basically put all of my liquid net worth in th- into that." And so Retro Health kind of caught my eye. And then in a, another article that just came out, he said that, uh, he was talking about, like, his daily routine, and he talked about his, uh, like, he's obsessed with, like, everyone used to talk about how he was obsessed with the end of the world. So he has, like, this property that has, like, gas masks and all this other shit, whatever. That's interesting, but we've talked about that. But then he also says that he's really obsessed with anti-aging, and he goes, "It's mostly simple stuff. I try to eat healthy, I exercise, I sleep enough, and I take metformin." That caught my eye.

   9. SPShaan Puri3:28

      One of these does not belong.

   10. SPSam Parr3:29

       Yeah. [laughs] What?

   11. SPShaan Puri3:31

       One of these is things my, my mom advises me to do. The, the, one, all of these are things my mom advises me to do except for one. [laughs]

   12. SPSam Parr3:37

       Yeah, so the metformin thing caught my eye, and also that he put $300 million of his own money. He goes, "I take metformin," and he goes, "I also hope to one day take Retro Health's medicines," which they haven't come out with yet. Have you, have you heard of metformin? Do you know what this is?

   13. SPShaan Puri3:49

       I've heard about this 'cause, um, Vitalik, the guy from Ethereum, he was on someone's podcast, and they, they, instead of asking about crypto, at one point they were like, "Let's talk about other stuff you're super into, like, oh, longevity. You're interested in health." And he's like, "Yeah, I'm, like, kind of interested in it. You know, I've taken metformin and rap..." What's the other one called? Rap something, rap- rapamycin or some shit like that.

   14. SPSam Parr4:10

       Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another longevity drug. I don't know much about that.

   15. SPShaan Puri4:12

       And he's like, he's like, I, I, "I don't think," he said, "he takes it regularly." He's like, "But I'm interested in that. I'd like to, I'd like to learn more about that."

   16. SPSam Parr4:18

       So, uh, about a year ago, I was telling you about semaglutide, and I'm like, "This drug is interesting. I think it's gonna be popular." And it got very popular. It-

   17. SPShaan Puri4:25

       No, no, no. Say what you really said.

   18. SPSam Parr4:28

       What did I say, it's a miracle drug?

   19. SPShaan Puri4:30

       You're like, "Dude, I'm injecting myself with this shit."

   20. SPSam Parr4:32

       [laughs]

   21. SPShaan Puri4:32

       "Unbelievable. I don't crave candy anymore."

   22. SPSam Parr4:34

       Yeah. [laughs]

   23. SPShaan Puri4:34

       "I'm losing so much weight. This thing's crazy." [laughs]

   24. SPSam Parr4:37

       Yeah, so I-

   25. SPShaan Puri4:37

       And you were right. [laughs]

   26. SPSam Parr4:38

       I, I tested it out. I don't take it anymore, but I'm, I'm like a guinea pig. I'll, I'll inject myself with anything to try it out. And so I tried it out, and so I got a little bit, uh, more interested in th- in this, and so everything I'm about to say, I wanna preface this that saying I don't know shit. I've listened to, like, a handful of pod- podcasts and read, like, some studies. That's about, that's the, the education I have here. But basically, metformin is similar-ish to semaglutide in that it was created in the '90s, or it was created before that but got FDA approved in the '90s, and the whole shtick behind it is that it helps, uh, insulin, uh, in- sensitivity, which basically just means, uh, when you eat sugar or crave sugar or whatever, your blood sugar spikes. And if you're diabetic, that's why this drug is important. That's basically all I know. But the reason why this is important for longevity is what people have found is that there is a huge correlation between your blood sugar spiking and how long you can live. So basically, when your blood sugar spikes, like, a huge amount, as if you just ate tons of sugar, and if that spikes a lot, that's correlated with living less or not as long as it being, like, stable all the time. So the reason why some of these, I think they're called GLPs, uh, glucose, like, uh, it basically limits, like, your glucose spiking is what these drugs do. Uh, that's like the dumb meathead version, which is all I know of explaining it. And the reason why these drugs are interesting is because they were given to diabetics, and like, "Oh, hey, your sugar, uh, blood sugar isn't spiking." Oh, weird. A lot of these people are living, like, kind of a long time. What the hell is going on? And then that's when they were like, "Man, this drug actually might be good for making you live longer because it's correlated with keeping your blood sugar low, which is also correlated with making you live for a little bit longer." And so that's what this drug is, and I started googling it, and all these, like, bi- and there, there's definitely downsides, but all these, like, biohackers, and also, like, these really rich guys, I'm talking like 500 million, billion dollar folks, it seems like a ton of them are taking this drug. Do you know anyone who's taking this?

   27. SPShaan Puri6:31

       Personally, I don't know anyone who's taking it, but I don't, um, ask, and I would bet that a good number of our friends... I would say, like, I would bet that 20% of our friends who kind of fit this category of, like, they, um, they went into Chuck E. Cheese, they got all the tickets, and now they don't wanna leave. Uh, it's basically, like, really rich people who have won at life, and now they only think about big picture things, and they're trying not to die 'cause, uh, they got it, they got it pretty good. [laughs] And so I would say it's, it's probably very common in, in those circles.

   28. SPSam Parr7:03

       And so, like, I first was interested in how, like, wealthy people care about health, like, years ago. 10 years ago, I read the biography of John Rockefeller, and John Rockefeller, uh, you know, was... He probably died in 1930 or 1940. So he basically, in the book, they're like, he chews his sh- his food super slow, and he makes sure that it's, like, fully liquid before he swallows.

   29. SPShaan Puri7:22

       [laughs]

   30. SPSam Parr7:23

       And, like, when he was, like, 80 years old, he basically was, like, a vegetarian, and if he wanted to eat a piece of chocolate, he would, like, call his doctor and say, like, "Hey, is it okay if I have this?" And he was, like, anal about that.
3. 16:50 – 24:30

   $15M Podcast For Sales

   1. SPSam Parr16:50

      on May 15th, this guy named Ben tweeted out that on this one website that buys and sells businesses, there's a podcast for sale. It does 2.2 million in profit. It's an entrepreneur podcast. The owner works 20 hours a week recording seven podcasts, so it's one per day. The company only has three full-time employees, and it's a podcast that's been around for, uh, 10 years, and it has nearly 4,000 episodes. And so, A, I was figure, trying to figure out which podcast this is, and I have a guess, of which I'm almost certain it is, with... but this person has never confirmed it. I think it's Entrepreneur on Fire by John Lee Dumas, who's been on our pod-

   2. SPShaan Puri17:37

      Yeah

   3. SPSam Parr17:37

      ... and us on his. Uh, but I have no... There's no confirmation. This is just a guess. I would bet everything that it's him. Uh, a- and then [laughs] but I have no-

   4. SPShaan Puri17:46

      [laughs] Just a guess that I would bet my life on.

   5. SPSam Parr17:47

      Yeah, but I have zero.

   6. SPShaan Puri17:48

      [laughs]

   7. SPSam Parr17:48

      I have... You know, it's not actually confirmed. And the second thing is he's asking $15 million for this. That's the asking price.

   8. SPShaan Puri17:57

      Right.

   9. SPSam Parr17:57

      So my question to you is what do you think this is worth?

   10. SPShaan Puri18:01

       It's hard, 'cause if you buy it He's not coming with it, correct?

   11. SPSam Parr18:06

       So the way... I- if you guys Google, uh, like, uh... So the guy's name is Ben Tiggelaar, so T-I-G-G-E-L-A-A-R, and you'll find his tweet. You get directed to a-

   12. SPShaan Puri18:15

       He's a good follow, by the way. He has good, like, buying businesses tweets.

   13. SPSam Parr18:18

       Yeah, and-

   14. SPShaan Puri18:18

       So I like his Twitter

   15. SPSam Parr18:19

       ... he'll link you to a thing where you could see, like, the page that, uh, that, that, uh, that... You'll see a bunch of high-level details, and then you can enter in your information, and they make you sign an NDA where he'll send you the whole deal book. I purposely didn't do the NDA part, so just so I could talk about it, so I'm only referencing what I saw on the deal page, which is, like, high-level stuff. So I don't know if he goes with it.

   16. SPShaan Puri18:40

       Uh, by the way, if you go to his... If you go to Entrepreneurs on Fire's website, there's a ticker at the top that shows, uh, revenue for April 2023. You click it, and it'll tell you that, uh, in April he made $181,607. Here's the full report. And you can see that since he launched it 10 years ago, this podcast, he says, has generated $19 million in net income for him in the, in the, uh, w- I guess 11 years now, since, since it has, uh, since it has been launched. That's pretty stunning. Uh, for, for this podcast that I would say is, like, a good podcast but it's not like, uh, it's not like one of these podcasts if I said, like, "Name the podcast that, you know, uh, is your, your favorite podcast in the world, the one that influences you the most, the one that... What's the most, one of the most popular entrepreneurial podcasts?" I would not name this one. I don't think most people would name this one. And for this podcast to have generated $19 million in net income since, uh, 2012 is, is pretty, pretty stunning. And you can see that it's basically 91% sponsorships, 4% courses, 4% affiliate, 2% his book sales.

   17. SPSam Parr19:46

       And my, my opinion, and this has nothing to do with John, this has nothing to do with his business.

   18. SPShaan Puri19:52

       Mm-hmm.

   19. SPSam Parr19:52

       I think that this podcast is worth, without him, close to zero, just about close to zero. And what is interesting-

   20. SPShaan Puri20:01

       No, that's, that's crazy.

   21. SPSam Parr20:03

       No, I... And I'll explain why. Because what... Let's say that you own this. What's gonna happen? You pay $15 million. What's gonna happen, like, the first six months without him? Like, you're just gonna make residual revenue and, or... And then what? He'll go and start his own?

   22. SPShaan Puri20:18

       He'll go... Oh, uh, well, no, I think you're gonna have a non-compete here if you, if you buy this thing from f- First of all, nobody's buying this for 15 million. Those people just-

   23. SPSam Parr20:25

       What do you think it's worth?

   24. SPShaan Puri20:26

       ... are bad, by the way. I think you could buy this... I think you could buy something like this for 5 to 6 million if you were serious about it. Um, you would have to be betting on two things. Number one, that the loyalty is to the... 'Cause I think what he does is interviews, correct? I don't actually listen to the pod. I think it's interviews.

   25. SPSam Parr20:43

       Interviews. It's, like, 20-minute interviews.

   26. SPShaan Puri20:45

       Yeah. So you, I think you have to bet that his v- listeners are there to hear a certain type of person come on and speak, and you have to be a good interviewer. So they're not there for John, they're there for, for, uh, Guest, Guest A, B, C, D, E. Um, you'd have to be betting that, and you'd have to be betting that he's not gonna go create a competing podcast of the same ilk and draw away people who are used to him there. If you were to do those two things and you bought this at a 2 or 3X multiple of profits, I don't think that's insane. I also don't think it's what I would do. [laughs] Like, I don't think I would make that bet, but I don't think that's an insane bet. To buy it for 15 million I think is an insane move.

   27. SPSam Parr21:29

       You think... What do you think he'll get?

   28. SPShaan Puri21:32

       I think he's likely to get no offers, period, um, because the number, the, the subset of buyers is pretty small for something like this, and I think he could sell it for between 1 to 3X profit is my guess.

   29. SPSam Parr21:44

       Dude, and I don't know why he would post it. Maybe we're, we'll, we'll be proven wrong. I don't know why he would post it on this site, because a guy like Ben found it, and immediately people were, were in the comments are like, "Oh, it's this one. This episode ha- like, they show all your revenue. I know how many episodes it has. Like, this is just, like, the easiest thing ever." You know what I mean? Uh, like, they, like, it totally guessed what it was, and I think that that's crazy. I, I, uh, that's, that... It was a tough mood. And it's also, like, we appeal to entrepreneurial people who buy and sell businesses, and so you're just gonna... Like, your audience is the one that's gonna out you. You know what I'm saying?

   30. SPShaan Puri22:18

       And does he say, uh, does he say how much, uh, how many subsc- like, how many subscribers he has or how big the podcast is?
4. 24:30 – 50:00

   Conor McGregor Documentary

   1. SPShaan Puri24:30

      on that, on that. [upbeat music]

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   3. SPShaan Puri24:49

      The McGregor documentary. You watched it?

   4. SPSam Parr24:51

      Yeah. Really good. It, it didn't talk about-

   5. SPShaan Puri24:53

      [laughs]

   6. SPSam Parr24:53

      ... his business stuff, which I thought was kinda... I wish it would have, but it was really good. What do you think about him?

   7. SPShaan Puri24:59

      Okay, so my, so I, I used to love Conor McGregor. Like at, at a given point in time he would've been by far my favorite athlete. You know, just a combination of entertainment, uh, you know, success, and, uh, the mindset. So like, you know, I, I thought that that was like just an amazing combination I'd never really seen before. And his run up from guy who was basically a apprentice plumber on welfare [laughs] to richest athlete, uh, you know, highest earning athlete in the world, global, global star, two-weight world champion in like a six-year period was... That six years of following that was unbelievable to watch that kind of rags to riches story.

   8. SPSam Parr25:37

      He was kind of like the equivalent of a redneck, but in Ireland, is what I've realized. Like watching-

   9. SPShaan Puri25:42

      [laughs]

   10. SPSam Parr25:42

       ... that documentary I was like, "Oh, you like, are really good looking, but you are like a trashy like redneck person." Like that's, that's basically what you were.

   11. SPShaan Puri25:49

       Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so, and he's had many documentaries actually. He's had many because from the beginning he was filming, or people were filming him 'cause he has like a sort of charisma and a magnetism about him, and he had a lot of self-belief. He had like an unbelievable amount of self-belief where he's like, "Hey, record this, record this," and they're like, "Who are you? What... You're not even... You, you're an amateur fighter. Like why, why are we recording you?" And he's like, "Because I'm gonna be the best." And so he's actually had, I think, three different things on Netflix. This was the latest one. Um, couple of thoughts. Number one, special people are nuts, and you gotta be a little nuts in order to do what you're doing. And he's openly admitted to being a bit nuts. In fact, he has this quote in the documentary where he's like, "I'm like Vincent van Gogh. I've lost my mind to the game. Uh, I don't, I don't know nothing a- else except for this game. Every moment, every thought is about, is about this game. I have lost my mind to it, and I, like I wouldn't have it any other way."

   12. SPSam Parr26:50

       There was a, th- there was an interview where someone was like, "Hey, what'd you think about the Manchester United game?" And he was like, "Oh, it was good. You know, it was great. Look, I'm gonna be honest, I don't, I don't even know what game you're talking about."

   13. SPShaan Puri26:59

       [laughs]

   14. SPSam Parr27:00

       "Like I, I don't know anything about soccer. I, you, you can ask me about politics. I don't know anything about it. Uh, I, I watch none of this. All I care about is fighting."

   15. SPShaan Puri27:08

       Right. Exactly. So he had like a laser fo- that's all on the come-up. And then he makes it and he becomes the highest earning athlete in the world. He's, uh, creates this whiskey brand that sells for $600 million, and he makes maybe 200 million out of that. Um-

   16. SPSam Parr27:23

       You think that? You think that those, that number's right?

   17. SPShaan Puri27:25

       Yeah, pretty sure that's right. Um, and then I, uh, and then he's got his suit line, then he's got his, his McGregor Fast program. He's got his, uh, recovery spray. He's got like all these other businesses, right? And so he, um, and then, you know, he starts to lose and he starts to get in trouble with the law and he starts to sort of... He becomes this larger-than-life persona. So he's an interesting guy. He's, he's got a little bit of a screw loose. I thought two things stood out to me from the documentary. One was early McGregor mindset was the best. So the way they filmed this was they would take present day footage of him going through something, and they would splice it with like before he was famous, the things this guy would say, and they put it together. And when you watch it together it's like the perfect mindset. It's like adversity, and then him saying exactly how to deal with this adversity, or how to avoid this, uh, this, this problem. But the problem was all of the mindset stuff [laughs] was from him before. It was like, you know, him 10 years ago. And, um, I think, you know, the, the editing made it look like a sort of, uh, you know, in a way like very admirable, but I, I, I think what's interesting is actually how much it changes. Like, the mindset that got him there isn't necessarily the mindset he still has because so, like at the beginning his mindset overcame his environment. Like nobody from Ireland had ever made it. He didn't have a proper, you know, like, you know, training s- uh, set up. He n- you know, he was not even in the UFC. His mind, it was like mind over matter. And then the problem is like then the matter got so big. He's sitting on a Lamborghini yacht. He's got, you know, everybody kissing his butt and, you know, he, he doesn't have to wake up at 4:00 in the morning and go run anymore. Like, uh, then at some point the se- the, he, he, his own success became his demise in a way. I think there's some poetic in that. The second thing I thought was he had a quote that I really loved, I think is very relatable, to me at least. They go, "So what happened? Did you just, you know, you stop training?" Everybody says that. "McGregor, you got rich, you stopped training." And he goes, "No, no, no. In training I was 100% committed. I was 100%. I gave every ounce of my effort in the training sessions. It was outside the training sessions that I was not 100% committed. I was 75% committed." He's like, "But that was the difference." He's like, you know, um, you know, the, it, it, like here I was willing to sweat, but outside of this, you know, I would, uh, I would tell myself, "Shouldn't eat that," then I ate it.

   18. SPSam Parr29:51

       Yeah.

   19. SPShaan Puri29:51

       "You shouldn't drink that," then I drank it. "You should, you should, you're gonna wake up at this time." I don't wake up. "You're gonna go to sleep on time." I don't go to sleep on time. He's like, "And those little..." He's like, "Those were little losses, and those little losses, or it could've been a small win, and instead it was a small loss, and I was taking those small losses outside of training." And he goes, "That's what deteriorates the mind. It weakens the mind." Uh, he's like, "It infiltrates your, your brain, these small losses. They don't f- individually they don't seem like anything, but they add up one day after another, n- next day after next, and my mind became weaker and doubt started to creep in for the first time. And, uh, you know, I, I started to slip." Outside of the training. And I thought, man, that's such a good lesson and frame for like... Since I watched that, now all day I see opportunities. I'm like, "This is either gonna be a small win or a small loss." It's not gonna- no one's even gonna know besides me. Only I know that this situation is even occurring. You know, I'm feeding my daughter, she's eating mac and cheese. I've eaten clean all day, but she doesn't eat the food, and now there's mac and cheese in front of my face. Or, or, you know, do I take that bite or do I not take that bite? It's a small win or a small loss. Uh, you know, going to sleep on time, it's a small win or a small loss. And since that documentary, I started racking up small wins. I realized how many small losses I was taking [laughs] and I decided not to take those anymore.

   20. SPSam Parr31:11

       Do you wanna know something funny?

   21. SPShaan Puri31:13

       Yeah.

   22. SPSam Parr31:13

       I remember that exact, where he goes, "There was times I was supposed to wake up, I didn't wake up. I knew I shouldn't have ate that, and I ate it."

   23. SPShaan Puri31:20

       I ate that. Yeah. [laughs]

   24. SPSam Parr31:22

       And th- there was-

   25. SPShaan Puri31:23

       It was so relatable

   26. SPSam Parr31:24

       ... there's this, uh, you know, the thing about him is there's all these small details about him that were really fascinating. For example, he has a tattoo on his arm, and it says, "Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast."

   27. SPShaan Puri31:34

       Right.

   28. SPSam Parr31:34

       And I thought that, I thought, I was like, that's just a really good phrase. That's a-

   29. SPShaan Puri31:38

       It, it's a military phrase. I don't know if you've ever heard that.

   30. SPSam Parr31:39

       No, I didn't know that. And I thought that that was-
5. 50:00 – 59:22

   AI Body Doubles

   1. SPShaan Puri50:00

      and then charge people, you know, $35, $40 to come to the website, type in a greeting saying, 'Hey, wish my kid, you know, Stevie, a happy, a merry Christmas, and tell him he's been a good boy and he did a great job with his soccer season.'" And like, just have Santa say all that, so like, I think that's a, that's a business. There's a more general version of that, which is Cameo through AI. So celebrities like the idea of Cameo, but Ca- th- there's a reason that Cameo is all kinda like C-list sort of celebs.

   2. SPSam Parr50:31

      Cameo is the best place to see which, which celebrity's broke.

   3. SPShaan Puri50:34

      [laughs]

   4. SPSam Parr50:35

      Like, it's like [laughs]

   5. SPShaan Puri50:35

      Yeah, it's just, it's a real-time net worth calculator. [laughs]

   6. SPSam Parr50:38

      Yeah. That [laughs] is the best place to go to see who, who, who's, uh-

   7. SPShaan Puri50:42

      It's a great place to go see upcoming celebrity divorces.

   8. SPSam Parr50:45

      Yeah. [laughs]

   9. SPShaan Puri50:46

      [laughs] Like, who's, who's got bills to pay? Um, Kevin from The Office. [laughs] So it's like, th- there's a reason why it's C-list, 'cause it takes a lot of time. Like, you know, uh, George Clooney doesn't actually wanna sit there and record, you know, uh, birthday messages for like, you know, 33-year-olds. Uh, i- it's not, not what he wants to do with his time. But if they could just license-

   10. SPSam Parr51:07

       You bought me a Cameo, by the way, Gilbert Godfried. You bought me a Cameo, and he just made fun of my penis size and I-

   11. SPShaan Puri51:13

       Yeah, a little too vulgar, but y- you never actually get-

   12. SPSam Parr51:15

       I, I thought it was great. I loved it.

   13. SPShaan Puri51:16

       [laughs]

   14. SPSam Parr51:17

       I thought it was awesome. I thought it was a good wedding gift.

   15. SPShaan Puri51:19

       [laughs] I couldn't make it to your bachelor party, so I sent you Gilbert Godfried, the, the c- Cameo. So I think that what's gonna happen is celebrities are gonna start licensing their name and face and voice to companies who will pay to be able to generate AI version of that and go sell it for them. So now you get the residual revenue from your name and face, just like slap my f- slap my face on a bottle of Sprite or whatever and it sells more Sprite. People are gonna do that with Ca- like Cameo-like services, where it's, uh, it's wish me happy birthday, it's congratulate me on this. Um, and you know, there obviously need to be some rules and boundaries around what it can and can't say. But whether Cameo itself does this or a competitor to Cameo comes out and does this with AI, like, for sure this is gonna happen, is a, like, obvious idea. We've been talking about this for a long time actually, with like, we said that, uh, somebody should do Cameo with like Pixar characters or like Disney characters and just get the licenses for it. It's the same thing, but now you can animate anybody, not just a, a Disney character. Um-

   16. SPSam Parr52:17

       And b- before Chat, ChatGPT was a thing, there was another company that we talked about that was doing, uh, like AI girlfriends and, oh, Replika.

   17. SPShaan Puri52:25

       Yeah, Replika.

   18. SPSam Parr52:26

       How are they doing? Do you know?

   19. SPShaan Puri52:28

       They're crushing. [laughs]

   20. SPSam Parr52:29

       Really?

   21. SPShaan Puri52:29

       Absolutely crushing, yeah. [laughs]

   22. SPSam Parr52:31

       I read an article that they, like, changed something and that one of their users-

   23. SPShaan Puri52:35

       Well-

   24. SPSam Parr52:35

       ... killed themselves because-

   25. SPShaan Puri52:36

       They update the model. So like as machine learning improves or when, the, when the, you know, you go from GPT-3 to GPT-4, they upgrade the model and then the users are like, "My girlfriend is different. Like, she's saying different things to me. What the hell?" And like sometimes it's censorship. Like, "She won't say this thing she used to say. She says she's not allowed to say that or talk about that anymore." Or it's like, "Her personality changed, and I'm like heartbroken." It's crazy. Like, people are, like, go to the Facebook groups or the subreddit.

   26. SPSam Parr53:04

       It's wild.

   27. SPShaan Puri53:04

       People are losing their minds.

   28. SPSam Parr53:05

       The Facebook group is wild.

   29. SPShaan Puri53:06

       Yeah.

   30. SPSam Parr53:06

       The Facebook group is crazy. I've been on that for, since it started and it's really, really interesting.

Episode duration: 59:27