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This Guy Copy-Pasted Warren Buffett’s Strategy (And Became A Billionaire)

Get our business idea database here ➡️ https://clickhubspot.com/sop Shaan Puri sits down with Mohnish Pabrai for a rare interview about value investing. Mohnish is sometimes called the "Indian Warren Buffett" for his track record of value investing. In this podcast they talk about how founders can become great investors, how to avoid big mistakes, and lessons learned from Buffett & Munger. — Show Notes: (0:00) Intro (1:41) Why entrepreneurs make the best investors (4:40) How Warren Buffett’s pre-paid for his college education (9:56) Becoming Ben Graham’s Protege (13:57) What Buffett learned about branding from See’s Candies (17:53) Buffett’s failed play to be a candy mogul (20:54) Identifying offering gaps (21:47) Getting an MBA at age 14 as the son of an entrepreneur (26:12) The 3 tells of a future millionaire (28:49) Mohnish builds his first product with maxed out credit cards at 24 (31:21) The 168 hour framework (33:56) “Entrepreneurs do not take risks” (36:10) How Richard Branson launches Virgin Atlantic with no money (39:09) How 0.1 percent of the population owns 70 percent of all the motels in America (43:45) The unfair advantage of being a low-cost producer (44:49) How Mohnish turned his first million into $13M in 5 years (48:18) Pabrai Funds grows to $600M in assets in less than 10 years (49:42) What Mohnish knows about fundraising that we don’t (55:46) Pivoting from tech investments in 1999 to value investments (58:50) $2M lunch with Warren Buffett (1:04:15) Be a harsh grader of people (1:08:09) The Givers, The Takers, and The Matchers (1:11:30) “Heads I win, tails I don’t lose much” (1:16:41) Private markets v public auctions (1:21:15) The #1 trait that makes a great investor (1:22:50) What people of Reddit think of Mohnish Pabrai (1:24:26) Starting capital, annual rate of return, length of runway (1:25:04) The rule of 72 (1:26:03) “The most important rule in life is how long something takes to double” (1:30:21) Circle the Wagons Philosophy (1:32:14) Losing $3B in one unfortunate event (1:37:34) Be fearful when the world is greedy; Be greedy when the world is fearful (1:38:34) What a value investor thinks of bitcoin (1:39:50) Nick Sleep bets (1:52:49) The Best Of: Capital Allocators — Links: • The Intelligent Investor - https://tinyurl.com/3jmpjrmc • The Dhandho Investor - https://tinyurl.com/53p9bhfv • Mohnish on Twitter - https://twitter.com/MohnishPabrai — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire global talent (like Shaan does) and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than their US equivalents. My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by The HubSpot Podcast Network // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano

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May 17, 20242h 1mWatch on YouTube ↗

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 4:40

    Why Entrepreneurs Make Great Investors

    Shaan Puri asks how being a businessman relates to being an investor. Mohnish Pabrai says both use the same part of the brain, and explains Buffett's quote about being a better investor because he's a businessman. He ties this to the 11-to-20 window in which the brain specializes.

    • •Buffett's quote that he is a better investor because he's a businessman and vice versa
    • •Pabrai's account of brain development and the 11-to-20 specialization window
    • •Bill Gates and Buffett started specializing around age 10 or 11
    • •Buffett's first business of buying Cokes at a nickel and selling at a dime
  2. 4:40 – 11:33

    Buffett's Teenage Businesses and Path to Ben Graham

    Pabrai recounts Buffett's early ventures: racetrack tips, discarded tickets, the pinball machine company and the Rolls-Royce rental. He then covers Buffett having $15,000 by 17, reading The Intelligent Investor at 19, and studying under Ben Graham at Columbia. Graham eventually hired him.

    • •Stable Boy Selections racing tips and collecting discarded tickets
    • •Wilson Coin Operated Amusement Company: pinball machines in about 40 barber shops
    • •Buying a broken Rolls-Royce for $300 and renting it for weddings
    • •Buffett had $15,000 at 17 and told his dad to leave any inheritance to his sisters
    • •Reading The Intelligent Investor and applying to Columbia to learn from Graham
  3. 11:33 – 13:57

    Strategy vs. Blocking and Tackling: Why Investing Suits Entrepreneurs

    Pabrai explains that starting a business is 3-5% strategy and 95-97% execution, while investing turns that strategy sliver into about 80% of the work. He says entrepreneurs are well set up to become investors with a few tweaks. Shaan notes the idea that investor-to-entrepreneur is a harder move.

    • •3-5% of business time goes to strategy and the rest to blocking and tackling
    • •In investing the strategy portion becomes about 80% of the work
    • •Pabrai finds it strange to meet investors who haven't been entrepreneurs
    • •Entrepreneurs make the transition with a couple of tweaks
    • •The earlier you start on both, the better
  4. 13:57 – 20:53

    See's Candies and Lessons in Branding

    Shaan describes Buffett's tactical letter to the See's CEO, and Pabrai explains how See's pricing power taught Buffett and Munger about brands. He then contrasts See's, which didn't travel beyond California, with Coke's ubiquity. That shift moved them from quantitative deep value toward understanding brands.

    • •Buffett set See's prices every December 26th, raising them 10-15% with volumes still rising
    • •They paid three times book value, about $25 million, and billions have flowed to Berkshire since
    • •See's lessons led to the Coke investment
    • •See's expansion attempts outside California repeatedly failed
    • •Coke is ubiquitous and has no aftertaste, unlike candy
  5. 20:53 – 28:49

    Pabrai's Childhood MBA and Spotting Entrepreneurial Backgrounds

    Asked whether he specialized between 11 and 20, Pabrai says it was dumb luck: his entrepreneur father taught him through constant business crises and sales calls. He describes his engineering job, switching to marketing, and checking whether CEOs ran a lemonade stand at 12. Shaan shares common teenage traits he's noticed in successful founders.

    • •His father spotted offering gaps but was over-levered, so he and his brother acted as his board of directors
    • •Going on sales calls at 15-16 and helping run the gold jewelry business
    • •Engineers at his telecom job didn't care about pricing or customers
    • •Why he checks whether CEOs ran a lemonade stand at 12
    • •Shaan's three common teenage tells: flipping, competitive video games, Mormon missions
  6. 28:49 – 33:56

    Starting a Business at 24 and the 168-Hour Framework

    Pabrai explains how he never wanted to be an entrepreneur until his dad urged him to quit. He started his IT company with a $30,000 401(k) withdrawal and credit cards while still employed. He describes using the 168 hours in a week and doing just enough at his job to avoid being fired.

    • •His dad pushed him to quit and look for an offering gap
    • •Funded with $30,000 from his 401(k) and about $70,000 in credit limits
    • •Worked on the business from 6-9 AM, evenings and weekends
    • •168 hours in a week leaves 40-50 hours beyond work
    • •Aimed just above firing level for nine months, then resigned with clients in place
  7. 33:56 – 39:21

    Entrepreneurs Minimize Risk: Pinball Machines and Virgin Atlantic

    Pabrai argues that entrepreneurs don't take risk but minimize it, using Buffett's pinball business as an example. He contrasts non-venture entrepreneurs with venture-backed ones. He tells how Branson launched Virgin Atlantic by leasing an idle Boeing 747 and using negative working capital.

    • •Entrepreneurs do everything possible to minimize risk
    • •Pinball machines were bought one at a time, funded by the previous one's cash
    • •Venture-backed businesses are a tiny fraction of the million-plus formed each year
    • •Branson leased an unused 747 from Boeing after repeated calls
    • •Ticket sales in advance and fuel paid later meant zero equity: replace capital with creative thinking
  8. 39:21 – 44:51

    How the Patels Came to Own Most US Motels

    Shaan asks how a tiny share of the population owns about 70 percent of American motels. Pabrai tells the story of Idi Amin expelling Ugandan Patels, who bought small motels and lived in them as low-cost producers. He closes with Charlie Munger's advice never to compete with a Patel.

    • •Idi Amin confiscated assets and gave Ugandan Patels 90 days to leave
    • •Refugees bought small motels, living in two rooms and doing all the work themselves
    • •No staff costs let them charge lower nightly rates and run full occupancy
    • •Family members helped nephews buy motels, compounding over 50 years
    • •Munger's advice to find another game rather than compete with a Patel
  9. 44:51 – 58:50

    From a $1M Stake to Pabrai Funds and the Dot-Com Bust

    Pabrai explains how he discovered Buffett, got $1 million from selling part of his business, and grew it to $13 million in five years. He started Pabrai Funds in 1999 using a Buffett-style fee structure. He grew it by asking investors to spread the word and by pivoting to deep value just before the dot-com crash.

    • •Ideas mean nothing; execution is what has value
    • •$1 million became $13 million, about 70% a year, from 1995 to 2000
    • •Buffett-style fees: no management fee, and a quarter of returns above 6%
    • •Investors were asked to tell friends because the SEC barred him from soliciting the public
    • •He switched to deep value in 1999, buying funeral homes and steel companies at low earnings multiples
  10. 58:50 – 1:04:34

    The $650,000 Lunch with Warren Buffett and Friendship with Charlie Munger

    Pabrai describes bidding on the charity lunch with Buffett in 2007, planning to go up to $2 million but winning at $650,000. He recalls how Buffett tried to give them value for three hours. A joke about his wife preferring Charlie led to a lunch with Munger and a 15-year friendship.

    • •Bidding for the lunch as a way to pay his 'tuition bill'
    • •Guy Spier split the cost, capped at a quarter million
    • •Buffett's aim was for bidders to feel they got a bargain
    • •Buffett set up a lunch with Munger after Pabrai's wife said Charlie was her true love
    • •The friendship grew into dinners and regular bridge games
  11. 1:04:34 – 1:11:17

    Be a Harsh Grader of People: Givers, Takers and Matchers

    Asked about the lunch, Pabrai recounts Buffett's advice to be a harsh grader of people and keep only the exceptional in one's circle. He explains that he shortcut by befriending Munger's friends. He then describes Adam Grant's givers, takers and matchers, and Shaan connects the idea to the too-hard pile and waiting for the fat pitch.

    • •Buffett said he can only identify a few exceptional and a few bad people at a party and treats the rest as not worth including
    • •Gravitational pull: peers make you better or worse
    • •Pabrai befriended Munger's already-filtered friends
    • •Adam Grant's givers, takers and matchers
    • •Excluding a good person costs little because there are infinite good people
  12. 1:11:17 – 1:19:34

    Heads I Win, Tails I Don't Lose Much: Asymmetric Bets

    Shaan asks for the meaning of Pabrai's investing phrases, starting with 'heads I win, tails I don't lose much.' Pabrai ties it to the Patels and gives examples: his own first business and the IPSCO steel investment. He explains why hated and unloved sectors like coal produce mispricing in public markets.

    • •Look for bets where the odds are heavily in your favor
    • •His first business was de-risked by a job to return to and bankruptcy as a fallback
    • •IPSCO traded at three times earnings with cash and contracted earnings and was later bought at $160
    • •Coal was studied as a hated and unloved industry
    • •Public markets are auction-driven, unlike a house with a steady appraised value
  13. 1:19:34 – 1:24:22

    Index Funds, Patience and Avoiding TV Stock Tips

    Pabrai says an index fund is the best choice for more than 99% of people, and that only those with the talent and patience to value businesses should pick stocks. He names patience as the top trait, using a Seinfeld story and a Pascal quote. They discuss his refusal to give TV stock picks.

    • •Indexing has very low frictional costs and suits almost everyone
    • •Active investing suits those who can value businesses and buy well below worth
    • •Patience is the number one trait; the Seinfeld airplane seat-back example
    • •Pascal quote about inability to sit quietly alone
    • •Taking stock tips from TV is a red flag
  14. 1:24:22 – 1:30:21

    Compounding and the Rule of 72

    Pabrai wishes compounding were taught in school and lays out its three variables: starting capital, rate of return and length of runway. He explains the rule of 72 and works through an example of a 22-year-old investing in an index. He uses it to illustrate why starting early and staying consistent matters.

    • •Three variables: starting capital, annualized return, runway length
    • •Rule of 72 estimates doubling time
    • •Buffett's runway of about 87 years
    • •$10,000 at 22 growing about 64x by age 64 at 10% a year
    • •Janitor millionaire stories reflect consistency, not exceptional returns
  15. 1:30:21 – 1:37:35

    Circle the Wagons: Buffett's 12 Decisions and Ajit Jain

    Pabrai explains his Circle the Wagons idea from Buffett's letter saying only 12 decisions in 58 years moved the needle. He argues the key was not selling, the 'paint drying decision.' He illustrates it with Ajit Jain's hurricane reinsurance bet, where Berkshire collected about $5 billion in premium.

    • •Buffett said 12 decisions moved the needle at Berkshire, roughly a 4% hit rate
    • •The important thing was never selling See's or Coke
    • •Ajit Jain's hiring was called Berkshire's best investment by Munger
    • •Ajit passes on underpriced catastrophe policies, then writes when pricing is right
    • •The 2023 hurricane policy collected about $5 billion in premium against a $15 billion maximum payout
  16. 1:37:35 – 1:39:33

    Hated and Unloved: Trouble Is Opportunity and Bitcoin

    Pabrai explains the 'trouble is opportunity' plaque and the principle of being fearful when others are greedy. He reiterates looking at what is hated and unloved. Asked about Bitcoin, he says it's outside his circle of competence and would say it will end badly if pressed.

    • •The Templeton quote on his plaque
    • •Be fearful when the world is greedy and greedy when it is fearful
    • •Run toward coal when the world runs away
    • •Bitcoin has no intrinsic value as he understands it
    • •He puts it in the too-hard pile and suggests most people take a pass
  17. 1:39:33 – 1:52:32

    Nick Sleep, Amazon and Rejas: The Power of Inactivity

    Pabrai tells the story of Nick Sleep and his partner reading annual reports, finding Amazon and concentrating into Amazon, Berkshire and Costco. He compares this to the Waltons holding Walmart. He then describes finding Rejas in Turkey at 2% of liquidation value and says the key to moving the needle is inactivity.

    • •Nick Sleep and Zak read Bezos' letters and saw low-risk bets with high returns on capital
    • •They returned outside capital rather than diversify under regulator pressure
    • •Walton family holds Walmart as nearly their whole net worth without running it
    • •Rejas: $16 million market cap versus about $800 million liquidation value
    • •Up almost 30X in dollars; the key to moving the needle is inactivity
  18. 1:52:32 – 2:01:15

    Capital Allocators: Meta, Elon Musk and Remembering Charlie Munger

    Shaan asks about capital allocation at Meta and Elon Musk. Pabrai says Zuckerberg became tight-fisted, and calls Musk an exceptional allocator, though Tesla goes in his too-hard pile. They close with Pabrai's memories of Charlie Munger: his wish to be useful, his stoicism and his continued investing days before dying.

    • •Meta moved from country club spending to being tight-fisted like a Patel
    • •Musk is an exceptional allocator who gets a great deal out of people and capital
    • •Tesla goes in the too-hard pile
    • •Munger's gravestone wish: 'I tried to be useful'
    • •Munger said he would learn braille when facing blindness

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