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A.R. Rahman: The Genius Who Took Indian Music Global | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF | Ep 15

What struck me most in this conversation with AR Rahman was not his mastery but his humility. He talks openly about fear, self-doubt, imposter syndrome, and why he constantly leaves comfort to evolve. We got into everything, Bombay Dreams, London, Hollywood, Oscars, classical music’s future, AI composition, spiritual surrender, and why consistency matters more than lifestyle. If you’ve ever wondered how someone stays grounded while being celebrated globally, you should watch this! Timestamps: 00:00 – Early Life, Bangalore–Chennai Roots 03:17 – Childhood Trauma, Losing His Father & Growing Up in Studios 08:25 – Mother’s Strength, Family Survival & Entering Music Young 10:30 – Playing for Composers, Jingles & Early Experiments 13:30 – Building Panchathan Studio & Mani Ratnam Discovery 24:00 – The 90s Trend Change & Redefining Indian Music 26:36 – Classical Music, Gurus & The Spiritual Side of Art 31:00 – AI, Contrarian Thinking & Beating Predictive Models 34:29 – Talent, Practice, Singing & Evolving at Any Age 40:00 – Global Work: UN, KM Conservatory & Purpose-Driven Projects 43:18 – Fame, Privacy & The Price of Being Recognised 47:15 – Creativity, Tech & DM Collaborations 53:33 – Live Experiences, Theatre & Reinventing Entertainment 56:15 – Meta Glasses & His Passion Project 1:14:12 –His Personal Headspace, Altruism & Religious Beliefs 1:29:40 – Tu Hi Re: The Making, History & Magic Behind the Song 1:35:40 – The Future of Cinema: Immersive Screens, Haptics & Sound 1:43:54 – Final Thoughts: India, Scale, News & What’s On His Mind #nikhilkamath : Co-founder of Zerodha and Gruhas Host of 'WTF is' & 'People By WTF' Podcast Twitter: https://x.com/nikhilkamathcio/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nikhilkamathcio/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkamathcio?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nikhilkamathcio/ #arrahman : Indian musical composer and record producer Twitter - https://x.com/arrahman Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/arrahman/ Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/arrahman/ Threads - https://www.threads.com/@arrahman Watch 'WTF is' Podcast on Spotify https://tinyurl.com/4nsm4ezn Watch 'People by WTF' Podcast on Spotify https://tinyurl.com/yme92c59 Watch 'WTF Online' on Spotify https://tinyurl.com/4tjua4th #WTFiswithnikhilkamath #PeopleByWTF #WTFOnline

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Nov 19, 20251h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

A.R. Rahman on craft, faith, technology, and global ambition today

  1. Rahman recounts an upbringing shaped by his father’s early death, financial instability, and a studio-centered childhood—crediting his mother’s strength and entrepreneurial grit for keeping the family afloat and pushing him into music early.
  2. He explains how building Panchathan (home) studio gave him privacy to experiment, leading to Mani Ratnam’s discovery and the overnight impact of Roja (1991), which he frames as a deliberate attempt to make Indian songs “world-ready” in production, vibe, and recording.
  3. The discussion expands into how artists must keep evolving—especially in an AI era—by being contrarian to predictive models, investing in mastery, and prioritizing sincerity over speed or formulas.
  4. Rahman also shares a purpose-driven outlook: founding KM Music Conservatory, advocating responsible AI to reduce harm, embracing live/immersive entertainment as the future, and grounding his life in Sufi-inspired spirituality, service, and humility despite global fame.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Rahman’s mother functioned as the ‘first institution’ behind his career.

After his father died when he was nine, his mother rented out musical equipment to survive, refused to sell his father’s gear, and later pushed Rahman to start playing professionally—turning crisis into a pathway.

A private sandbox accelerates originality.

He describes Panchathan Studio as empowering because nobody judged his experiments; unlike big studios where peers watched, his home studio let him iterate until the music matched his standards.

Roja’s “trend change” was intentional global positioning, not luck.

Rahman aimed to solve why Indians listened to Pink Floyd/Queen/John Williams but “they don’t listen to us,” citing language, production, recording quality, and vibe—then engineered his sound accordingly.

Sustained relevance comes from resisting overproduction and constantly re-learning.

He limited film output early (contrasting peers doing “thirty movies a year”) to protect creative growth, later “escaped” to London/Hollywood to study and refresh his artistic vocabulary.

In an AI world, winning means being creatively contrarian.

Rahman argues AI learns patterns from the past, so artists must surprise the predictive model—changing structure, keys, rhythms, or narrative pacing to create what cannot be easily averaged or replicated.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

School is not just about education. It's about understanding humanity.

A.R. Rahman

Each Tamil song I do should go around the world.

A.R. Rahman

You have to be contrarian to whatever the predictive model is.

A.R. Rahman

Don’t make people lose jobs… you can pull the carpet off, make them jobless.

A.R. Rahman

That is the irony of my life… nobody allows you to eat… ‘Can I take a photograph?’

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Father’s death, trauma, introversion, mother’s resilienceStudio apprenticeship: playing for top composers, arrangingJingles, early tech adoption, building Panchathan home studioRoja/Mani Ratnam: trend shift and global-minded productionPractice, talent vs effort, and learning singing at any ageAI: contrarian creativity, regulation, jobs, responsible deploymentLive/immersive future: VR, domes, haptics, theatre reinventionKM Music Conservatory, foundation work, social mobility through artFame, privacy, and the human cost of recognition“Secret/ Sacred Mountain”: virtual multicultural band, ethics, monetizationSufism/spirituality: ego-death, service, deeds, inner peaceNot following news: focus on family, kindness, personal responsibility

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