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Intro
- PAPeter Attia
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- 0:11 – 1:49
Introduction to the Kids' COVID Episode
- PAPeter Attia
Hey everyone, welcome to The Drive podcast. I'm your host, Peter Attia. This podcast, my website, and my weekly newsletter all focus on the goal of translating the science of longevity into something accessible for everyone. Our goal is to provide the best content in health and wellness, full stop, and we've assembled a great team of analysts to make this happen. If you enjoy this podcast, we've created a membership program that brings you far more in-depth content if you wanna take your knowledge of this space to the next level. At the end of this episode, I'll explain what those benefits are, or if you wanna learn more now, head over to peterattiamd.com/subscribe. Now, without further delay, here's today's episode. [upbeat music] Hey everyone, welcome to a special edition of the COVID series. This is gonna be COVID for kids. So my guest today is my daughter, Olivia, and this was mostly her interviewing me, but also a little bit of a discussion and me asking her some questions as well, all pertaining to the coronavirus, but really through the lens of questions that Olivia had. So if you're a listener of the podcast and you have kids, this might be the one episode that you wanna sort of bring your kids into, because hopefully it answers a lot of the questions that they've probably been asking you, and maybe these are some of the questions you don't have answers to. So anyway, I hope you enjoy this special episode of the coronavirus series, Corona for Kids.
- OAOlivia Attia
[upbeat music] Hey Dad. So I know you've done podcasts about questions people had on the coronavirus for adults, but I thought we could do one for kids. So the first thing I'm gonna ask you is
- 1:49 – 3:59
What Is a Virus and How Small Is It?
- OAOlivia Attia
what even is a virus?
- PAPeter Attia
Well, a virus is a sort of living, kind of living thing that has genetic material in it, which all of your cells have genetic material in them. But these viruses, they can't replicate on their own. So you know how like you get big, your hair gets longer, your nails get longer, you get taller, all of these things are cells in your body that are dividing?
- OAOlivia Attia
Yeah.
- PAPeter Attia
Well, viruses can't divide without using another body. They don't have the machinery, so to speak, to divide on their own, so they have to infect a host, that's the term we use, to do that. Now, it's important to understand how small a virus is. Do you have a sense of how small they are?
- OAOlivia Attia
Kind of.
- PAPeter Attia
Do you think you can see them?
- OAOlivia Attia
No way.
- PAPeter Attia
That's right, no way. So a virus is like about 100 nanometers wide. Do you know what a nanometer is?
- OAOlivia Attia
Something very small.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah, it's like a billionth of a meter. So if we were to cut one of your hairs, and you can barely see the end of your hair when it's cut, right? How many coronaviruses do you think you could line up across the tip of your hair if it were cut?
- OAOlivia Attia
Probably hundreds.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah, about 1,000 actually.
- OAOlivia Attia
1,000.
- PAPeter Attia
So think about how small that is.
- OAOlivia Attia
That's very small.
- PAPeter Attia
So we can't see these things, but these virtually invisible things without special types of microscopes, they get into our bodies and the bodies of other animals, and they use our body to make more copies of themselves. And a lot of times when viruses do that, they don't really hurt us or hurt the person or animal that they're infecting. But sometimes they do. So when you think about bad colds that you've had or nasty GI bugs that you've had, that's just a virus that is causing that pain and suffering to you as part of its replicating process.
- 3:59 – 7:39
Where SARS-CoV-2 Came From and Past Coronaviruses
- OAOlivia Attia
Oh, okay. So I'm sure a lot of people are wondering this. So how do you know so much about this virus?
- PAPeter Attia
Well, I don't think I know that much about it. I mean, to be clear, I didn't know anything about it until a couple of months ago. So there are people who spend as much time as I spend thinking about longevity or Formula 1 or all the other things that I love to think about. There are people who spend their whole lives thinking about these viruses. Um, and so I just have talked to a lot of those people, and that's how I've learned the little bit that I think I've learned in the last couple of months. But the reality of it is I'm pretty much a, a noob.
- OAOlivia Attia
[chuckles] Okay. So how did the coronavirus start?
- PAPeter Attia
Well, I think we have a pretty good sense that this virus, this particular coronavirus, and to be clear, there are many coronaviruses, but this particular one, which now has a formal name, that name is SARS-CoV-2. So just like your name is Olivia, that guy's name is SARS-CoV-2. It causes a disease called COVID-19. That virus probably originated in bats, but the most recent evidence we have suggests that it went from a bat to something called a pangolin. Do you know what a pangolin is?
- OAOlivia Attia
No.
- PAPeter Attia
It's like a mini anteater. Like picture a little tiny scaly armadillo-looking thing that eats ants and little insects. And these are little tiny mammals that are actually quite protected in China because they're endangered. But there is some illegal poaching of these things, and people do-- I believe they use their scales for medicinal purposes and things like that. So I think the current genetic analysis suggests it went from a bat to a pangolin to a human. The first person was infected with that in this part of China called Wuhan probably in about November of last year, so relatively recent.
- OAOlivia Attia
So like you said, this isn't the first time corona has showed up, but it's definitely the worst time, I'm assuming, right?
- PAPeter Attia
Yes and no. I think it depends how you define the worst. It's definitely infecting a lot of people, but there have been other coronaviruses that have shown up, two in particular in the past 15 or 20 years, that have been more lethal, meaning a higher number of the people who got the infection died. So one of those was called SARS, and one of those was called MERS, and those would kill somewhere between 10 and 30%, SARS about 10%, MERS about 30% of the people who got it. That's a huge number, right? That means in the case of SARS, one out of every 10 people that got the infection died. In the case of MERS, one out of every three people died. Think about that. But the good news is those viruses didn't spread very far, so very few people got them. So in some ways, those were worse viruses. Of course, this one is spreading a lot. At this point in time, we've got over a million confirmed cases, but of course, we probably have tens of millions of unconfirmed cases. But there are other coronaviruses that come and go every summer that have infected many more people than that, but they just don't cause anything more than a miserable cold.
- OAOlivia Attia
All right. So like you were saying, this has been a problem before, but do you think it will show up again after this, assuming it's all resolved at some point?
- PAPeter Attia
You mean this one in particular or another one?
- OAOlivia Attia
This one.
- PAPeter Attia
I think it's a bit too soon to say, but probably.
- OAOlivia Attia
Could another one show up?
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah.
- 7:39 – 8:45
When Will Kids Go Back to School?
- OAOlivia Attia
All right. So this next question I'm gonna ask you is probably the one all kids are wondering. When do you think we're gonna be able to go back to school?
- PAPeter Attia
I don't really know. If I really had to guess, I don't think you're going back to school this year.
- OAOlivia Attia
All right. And I've heard some people say that not even until maybe next year. Is that true?
- PAPeter Attia
Oh, I think it's really too soon to say. I know that sounds like a cop-out answer, but there are so many things we don't yet know. Like, we don't actually know how many people have this infection, and it could be that a lot of people already have the infection and they're doing really well and it's not causing that much harm. And in that case, people who aren't at very high risk for getting very sick could mosey on back to school and move back into work and things like that. But it's also possible that we have to be much more careful and much more concerned. And if that's the case, then this quarantine might be something that lasts a little bit longer.
- OAOlivia Attia
Yeah. So I've just recently heard that the US has hit more cases than China. Why do you think that is?
- 8:45 – 13:51
Why the US Has So Many Cases
- PAPeter Attia
Well, that's a long story, and it's one that gets my blood a little bit boiling, so I don't like to talk about it too much. I mean, basically, we didn't do a good job.
- OAOlivia Attia
Of preparing for it?
- PAPeter Attia
Of a couple of things. So we didn't heed our warnings. So we had very clear warning signs that this virus was out there and that this virus was very infectious. Furthermore, we had lots of evidence that it could easily spread outside of China. But we didn't take a bunch of steps we should have taken. Now, part of this is not just what we did or didn't do in the last couple of months, but really this is a much bigger problem that goes back a number of years. We don't really have the infrastructure in place to prepare for something like this because, for example, we don't have, you know, a national stockpile of the type of equipment that doctors and nurses would need to be protected from this if they're taking care of a bunch of people that got sick. At the beginning of January, when the Chinese government and Chinese scientists were able to figure out exactly what this virus looked like, that's called sequencing. That's when you can actually look at the, basically the fingerprint of what this virus looks like. So you have a very unique fingerprint. If I took one of your hairs and took it to a lab, they could tell me exactly what your DNA sequence looks like, and you're the only person in the world that has that. So we would know exactly what Olivia looks like. And similarly, at the first week, second week of January, the scientists in China had already done that for this virus. And that would have been a great time to have doubled down on developing tests in the United States or taking tests that others had developed and making sure we had enough of them, because testing is a really important part of this. That's a big way that you can help understand how people have it and don't have it and how you need to isolate the people that have it from those who don't. So without having all those systems in place, we were also a little bit late to the party in terms of understanding what to do when people showed up and were infected. So we had our first case basically at about the same time that a country like South Korea had their first case. But we have now had more than five times the number of deaths for an adjusted population, meaning for every million people in the United States versus every million people in South Korea, we've already had five times the number of deaths, even though we both started at the same time effectively. And that speaks to sort of not being able to put these measures in place.
- OAOlivia Attia
All right. So you were saying that we weren't very prepared and listening to the warnings. So how could we have been better prepared and more aware of this?
- PAPeter Attia
Well, I mean, I think it's sort of what I just said. Part of it is non-specific type of preparedness. So it's having the infrastructure in place to deal with pandemics. So it's having, like, a pandemic preparedness program that is well-funded That has all of these things that don't seem that interesting when you don't need them laying around ready, and then part of it is very specific to this case, which is this is a really tough virus because it spreads pretty aggressively, more aggressively than, say, the flu virus. And look, I just don't think our leaders were doing a great job.
- OAOlivia Attia
Do you think it would've helped if people started to quarantine sooner than they actually did?
- PAPeter Attia
Yes, I think it would've, especially in places like New York, New Orleans, probably Florida. So there were places where a lot of things just went kinda sideways. Like New York has a high density of people. You've been there a bunch. You know what New York is like compared to San Diego. You can imagine that a virus that can spread basically by you breathing on somebody is much more likely in New York. Imagine you're sitting on the subway. You have these people that have to commute in and out of Manhattan every day from these different boroughs. So you just have a high population that's close together that has these commuting challenges where they're in close proximity to others. And so all of those things would lead to kind of an amplification. And I think that in some ways New York has done the best job it could, but it probably started a little later than would've been ideal compared to what we now know from other countries.
- OAOlivia Attia
Yeah. So some people are saying they just wanna get the virus and be over it, meaning they won't have to quarantine anymore, and they've already been exposed to the virus, so it would be a lot easier. Do you think that's a good idea?
- 13:51 – 16:32
Herd Immunity and Risk by Age
- PAPeter Attia
So the technical term for that idea is called herd immunity. You know what a herd is?
- OAOlivia Attia
Probably when you get it so that your body's used to it.
- PAPeter Attia
Well, yeah, but, like, the herd means everybody, you know what I mean? So the idea would be once you have chickenpox-- Do you remember when you had chickenpox when you were a kid?
- OAOlivia Attia
Mm-hmm.
- PAPeter Attia
[chuckles] You were lucky. You didn't have to get it that bad because you already got a vaccine for it. But when-
- OAOlivia Attia
Mm-hmm
- PAPeter Attia
... I was a kid, we didn't have a vaccine for chickenpox, so when we got it, it was really bad. But once you get the chickenpox or once you get the vaccine for it, you're not really gonna get it again. I mean, technically you can get a cousin of chickenpox called shingles when you get a lot older.
- OAOlivia Attia
So that's what people want. They think they won't be able to get it again.
- PAPeter Attia
That's right, but there are a couple things. One, we don't really know exactly what the immunity looks like. In other words, we don't know that once you get this coronavirus, if you recover from it, and let's say you're one of the majority of people who recover from it, and, and to be clear, most people who get this virus recover from it. At a minimum, 80% do, but it could be significantly higher. It could be 95%. We don't know if that immunity is going to last them for another six months, another year, another five years, for the rest of their lives. We don't know. The second thing is there are certain people who are at high enough risk to get sick from the virus that you might not wanna take the chance of letting them just get infected. So you and your friends are at virtually no risk from this virus. In fact, in the United States, as of this time, there is not a single person your age who has died from this virus.
- OAOlivia Attia
That's good.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah. It's good for you, but you have to understand that you could still transmit it to somebody. So if you lived with your grandparents and you were back at school and you and all your friends had it, and obviously it would be great that none of you would get very sick, but what if you came home and gave it to one of your grandparents or gave it to somebody who was at a higher risk, and then they transmitted it? So it's a bit complicated to think of that, but it's definitely something that might end up happening, and we just don't know it yet. In other words, we don't really know how many people have already been infected.
- OAOlivia Attia
So you're saying different age groups can have a better or lower chance of getting it?
- PAPeter Attia
I don't know if it's a better or lower chance of getting it, but it's definitely a better or worse chance of dying from it or being hospitalized, for sure. So the younger you are, the better you are, your risk is, and the fewer diseases you have, like high blood pressure or diabetes or things like that, the better your chances of surviving it.
- 16:32 – 18:53
Quarantine Practices: Packages and Handwashing
- OAOlivia Attia
All right. So what should a proper quarantine look like? Because I know that while we're quarantined, we sometimes order things from Amazon, and when they order the packages, we have a specific way of taking them out. Like, we don't bring them inside. We have to wash our hands and take it apart outside. So explain that kind of.
- PAPeter Attia
Well, do you know why we're doing that, by the way? What are we afraid of?
- OAOlivia Attia
We don't wanna bring the germs in.
- PAPeter Attia
Right. There's a chance that there could be some virus on the cardboard box. So let's assume that the person delivering the bag or someone, or the box, or the person who touched it a few hours earlier has the virus. Maybe they don't even realize they have the virus, and the virus is sitting there on the cardboard, and then that cardboard box gets dropped off at your door. So there was a study that was published about three weeks ago that actually looked at putting the virus on different surfaces, cardboard, plastic, steel, copper, those sorts of different things, and it started to measure how long the virus could survive on those surfaces. And what came of that study was that this virus can live for a day, maybe two days, on cardboard. So what you wanna do is sort of assume that anything you come in contact with potentially has some amount of virus on it. Now, that study doesn't really tell us you can get infected from that because maybe there's not enough virus that's really surviving that you're going to get it all over you, and if you don't take appropriate precautions, it's gonna, you know, infect you. But it seems, to me at least, that the safest thing to do is to assume that anything that shows up has some amount of the virus on it And that virus could potentially infect you. So what we're doing is we're opening Amazon packages outside, we're cleaning off the contents of them, and then just washing our hands really thoroughly. And do you remember how long we have to wash our hands for?
- OAOlivia Attia
20 seconds?
- PAPeter Attia
You got it. And that is a lot longer than it feels like, isn't it?
- OAOlivia Attia
It is.
- PAPeter Attia
[chuckles] Reese is the best at that, by the way.
- OAOlivia Attia
Is he?
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah, that kid can wash his hands.
- OAOlivia Attia
Hmm. Well, Ari just throws soap everywhere.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah, he's not so good at washing his hands.
- OAOlivia Attia
So is there anything else we haven't covered that you think kids should know about this virus?
- PAPeter Attia
Hmm.
- 18:53 – 24:06
Delayed Payoffs, Discipline and Preparedness
- PAPeter Attia
I don't know, but there is something I do want to use as an example for kids to think about, 'cause I've been thinking about this a lot with you as we're going through this. So you can probably tell... I mean, do I seem like I've been more irritable in the last month than normal?
- OAOlivia Attia
Yes, kind of.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah. I apologize for that, but I think part of the irritability I feel is just a frustration in what I consider to be kind of incompetence, and I think it's worth using this as a teaching point, 'cause you asked a question, how did we get here? And the underlying theme to how we got here is we didn't really do the things we needed to do before it was too late. And so why does that happen? I mean, is it because we don't want to? I mean, I think the point here is it's sometimes really hard to do things for which the payoff is far in the future.
- OAOlivia Attia
But that's kind of what you were explaining this morning, right?
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah. So w- we were talking about the thought experiment of imagine mom and I never once harped on what you ate, what time you went to bed, how much you looked at your iPad, how much TV you watched, when you exercised, what sports you played, what activities you did, when you did your homework. Like imagine you could do anything you wanted. You could watch as much Flash as you wanted.
- OAOlivia Attia
Okay, that sounds kind of fun, if I'm just being honest.
- PAPeter Attia
You could eat as much ice cream as you wanted. Think through how much fun you could have if you were allowed to do anything you wanted.
- OAOlivia Attia
I think it would be fun for a little bit, but then I would... obviously, in the long run, it would be really rough.
- PAPeter Attia
But how do you make that trade-off?
- OAOlivia Attia
You have to have discipline now so that it can benefit you later.
- PAPeter Attia
But that's hard.
- OAOlivia Attia
It is really hard.
- PAPeter Attia
You know it because you and me and we all struggle with this. We make these decisions today that don't always feel good. You make these sacrifices. Do you remember what Jocko's-- What do my Jocko shirts say on them?
- OAOlivia Attia
Up before the enemy.
- PAPeter Attia
Oh, yeah.
- OAOlivia Attia
Or that one. But discipline equals freedom.
- PAPeter Attia
Discipline equals freedom. What does that mean?
- OAOlivia Attia
It means the more you have discipline, the more free you'll be.
- PAPeter Attia
Eventually.
- OAOlivia Attia
Not in the moment, but eventually you will be.
- PAPeter Attia
Right. And so when you think about why it is that you can't just eat all the ice cream in the world, even though in the moment it feels so good, it is undoubtedly more pleasurable to eat ice cream than not to eat ice cream. It is undoubtedly more pleasurable in the moment to watch as much Flash as you want and do as much TikTok as you want and screw around on your computer as much as you want. Those things feel awesome. I can't deny that. But the problem is you will pay the fiddler tomorrow. And life, in some ways, is a balancing act between enjoying things for the sake of enjoying them in the moment and indulging, but also being responsible enough to make sure that when something goes wrong, you're prepared. I think if you're a kid and you're listening to this, it's important to understand that the adults screwed this up. This is a great example of the adults not doing their homework, not saving their allowance, not eating their vegetables, not exercising, just completely dropping the ball, and now we're paying the fiddler. That's a problem. I think it's a huge problem, and that's probably the thing that on a deep level has me most upset right now. It's that a whole bunch of innocent people are suffering badly because the people who were supposed to be in charge, the grownups, so to speak, couldn't make the long-term trade-off. They couldn't sacrifice in the moment. They couldn't invest the time, the money, the infrastructure in science that was necessary to make sure that when this happened, we were prepared. And so I have to hope that this is a wake-up call, and I have to hope that when this is over, maybe you guys will be the ones to tell the adults, "Quit screwing around."
- OAOlivia Attia
Hmm. So we were talking about this this morning, and an example you used was that Reese was watching a show called Biggest Little Farm, and the people in that show, they had to grow their own food. They had to produce everything by themselves, and if they didn't wake up one morning, even if it was raining, and they didn't go outside and garden or help their animals, then they wouldn't have food in the long run and they would starve. So they kind of had to do what they needed to do for the future.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah, I'm glad you remember that example. I think that's another great one, is farming. Think about if you have to go out there and plant your crops and go and tend to them and tend to your animals, and if you just for a month decide, "Eh, I don't feel like doing it. I mean, I'd rather just screw around," well, you're gonna starve when winter comes.
- 24:06 – 26:32
Is It China's Fault? The Driving Analogy
- OAOlivia Attia
Another question I had was I was wondering, is this China's fault?
- PAPeter Attia
It has become incredibly convenient to blame China for all of this. Consider the following scenario. You don't drive yet, but you know what it's like to be in a car with me or your mom, right?
- OAOlivia Attia
Mm-hmm. I know what it's like to be in a race car.
- PAPeter Attia
Yep. So imagine you're driving down the r- the freeway and somebody changes lanes in front of you and cuts you off and they don't signal. Is that their fault or your fault?
- OAOlivia Attia
That's their fault.
- PAPeter Attia
That's right. Now, how you respond to that is up to you.
- OAOlivia Attia
I could honk my horn or I could just...
- PAPeter Attia
Well, okay, yeah, that's true, but I'm saying, like, how you respond from a safety perspective is up to you. If you're paying attention and they cut you off, I mean, that happens, like, 10 times a day. So if you're doing everything right, you're probably not gonna die when somebody cuts you off on a freeway.
- OAOlivia Attia
So, like, if you're texting and they cut you off, that could be a worse situation.
- PAPeter Attia
Exactly. Now imagine for a moment that you're speeding, you've had a couple of drinks, you don't have your seatbelt on, you're texting, and somebody cuts you off.
- OAOlivia Attia
That's not gonna work out too well for you.
- PAPeter Attia
Now, whose fault is it?
- OAOlivia Attia
That's my fault.
- PAPeter Attia
Well, it's both of your faults at this point.
- OAOlivia Attia
True, because that person did cut me off, but I was kind of not doing the right thing either.
- PAPeter Attia
You were not doing your best to be ready for the situation.
- OAOlivia Attia
Okay.
- PAPeter Attia
And that's kind of how I think about this. To sit here and blame China for all of this, even though that's clearly where the virus originated, and it's probably in part due to practices of food handling that we would never do in this country and, and all of those things are true, but again, we have to take responsibility for all this. So China may have cut us off in the freeway, so to speak, but we were driving too fast. We didn't have our seatbelts on. We had a couple of drinks in us. We were texting, and we were looking back to check on our kids in the car seat and tell them to stop arguing with each other. I mean, we bungled every aspect of this, and I just think that in the moment when you're spinning out of control, it's easy to say, "That guy cut me off," but at some point you gotta be like-
- OAOlivia Attia
I was doing something wrong too.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah, you were doing a bunch of things wrong.
- 26:32 – 29:12
Olivia on Quarantine, School and Online Classes
- PAPeter Attia
I wanna ask you a bunch of questions now.
- OAOlivia Attia
Okay.
- PAPeter Attia
So Olivia, we went into quarantine a week before your school closed.
- OAOlivia Attia
Right.
- PAPeter Attia
That was about as upset as I've seen you in a long time. When you went to school on a day and I said, "Hey, Olivia, this is gonna be your last day at school for a while, so can you please bring all your books home," what did you think when I said that?
- OAOlivia Attia
I thought you were absolutely out of your mind, because I've learned a lot about the virus since then, and at that point when you said that, I didn't even realize how bad the coronavirus was. And I didn't start learning about it until a couple weeks ago, and none of my friends were leaving school like I was, so I thought it would be really weird. I thought I would fall behind in schoolwork, and I thought I would be the only one, and I thought it was very odd. And I couldn't leave the house, so I couldn't do basketball. I couldn't go to drums. I couldn't do anything. I couldn't do singing. And yeah, I was really upset at first, but then the next day a few of my friends dropped out, and then the next day school closed.
- PAPeter Attia
I don't think school closed till the following Monday, but I think they told you in the-- They said a few days later, "Monday will be the last day."
- OAOlivia Attia
Yeah, so a lot of my friends started dropping out, and I was like, "Oh, oh, okay," because I thought me and my brother would be the only ones that weren't going to school. And the first few days all my friends were texting me, "Where are you? Why aren't you at school?" And then kids started dropping out super fast, and then schools closed.
- PAPeter Attia
So what's been the hardest part of this for you?
- OAOlivia Attia
No friends, because I'm a really social person. I usually have a million play dates. And so not seeing my friends has been really hard for me probably, and also no sports, because basketball season just started, and I couldn't play any games until next fall now.
- PAPeter Attia
What's been the hardest part about working, doing online classes and stuff?
- OAOlivia Attia
Definitely having questions, because usually at school if you have questions you can ask the teacher after class. But now that teachers have things to do after each class, you can't really stay online, 'cause you have another class right there. It's kind of hard to explain, but online it's hard to ask questions, 'cause everyone's talking over each other. It's total madness. Like, I have a headache after each class. And yeah, I do not like online school. I wish we could have school back.
- PAPeter Attia
That's interesting. So when you go back to school, assuming you go back to school in the fall, back into actual school, what will you appreciate now that you probably didn't appreciate in the past?
- OAOlivia Attia
Just school in general. Like, all m- me and my friends are saying how we took school for granted, and we didn't realize how amazing it was to have school, because now we wish we had school.
- PAPeter Attia
[laughs] That's interesting.
- 29:12 – 34:15
Life at Home: Dad, the Puppy and Zone 2 Workouts
- PAPeter Attia
What has been the best and worst part of your dad not traveling for the longest time ever?
- OAOlivia Attia
Well, I have to work out a lot, so that's no fun. But I do like you being home more, because you made crepes this morning, and you're just here to help more. And I think it's really fun that we have a puppy during quarantine, so that's, like, really lucky that we got her a few weeks before quarantine started. And so yeah, I mean, quarantine's good and bad in some ways.
- PAPeter Attia
[laughs] Yeah, what's the deal with this puppy?
- OAOlivia Attia
She pees every three seconds of her life. Yeah.
- PAPeter Attia
Is that ever gonna stop?
- OAOlivia Attia
I hope so, because yeah, you could always walk around the house, and if you step in a puddle, you know what it is.
- PAPeter Attia
[laughs] So you don't regret that we got her?
- OAOlivia Attia
No, I don't. I really like her.
- PAPeter Attia
You don't think she's too much work?
- OAOlivia Attia
No.
- PAPeter Attia
[laughs] How many watts are you up to on your zone 2 workouts now?
- OAOlivia Attia
65 to 70, but I think I can start going higher, 'cause I'm doing longer rides now too.
- PAPeter Attia
Yeah. What was your last lactate level at 70 watts?
- OAOlivia Attia
It was, like, 2.1 or something like that, 2.3.
- PAPeter Attia
Pretty good. Do your friends think you're a freak that your dad does lactate testing on you?
- OAOlivia Attia
They don't really know that part, but they do know that I work out. They just don't know what lactate is, [laughs] which I didn't until a couple months ago.
- PAPeter Attia
Well, Olivia, thank you very much for making the time. I know you're-
- OAOlivia Attia
Thank you too.
- PAPeter Attia
You've got a lot of things going on today. I hope we answered questions that your friends would find interesting.
- OAOlivia Attia
Yeah, me too.
- PAPeter Attia
Is there anything else that you want to know about the coronavirus or that you think your friends might want to know?
- OAOlivia Attia
I think we've covered it all, but yeah, I think that's it.
- PAPeter Attia
All right. Do you think there's any chance we'll get Reese on the podcast?
- OAOlivia Attia
Oh, that would definitely be crazy. I mean, I'm sure he'd love it, and you guys talk about gardening and trash cans and what else does he do? Trains, Legos. You'd probably talk about that.
- PAPeter Attia
[laughs] We'll see if maybe he'll hear this one and he'll decide he wants to do one too.
- OAOlivia Attia
Yeah. Speaking of which, I have online drums to go to now.
- PAPeter Attia
That's right.
- OAOlivia Attia
Yep.
- PAPeter Attia
All right. Thanks, Olivia.
- OAOlivia Attia
Thank you.
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