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#125 - John Arnold: The most prolific philanthropist you may not have heard of

John Arnold is widely regarded as the greatest natural gas trader of all time, but in his late 30’s he walked away from it all and turned full-time philanthropist. He and his wife have committed to strategically give away most of their vast fortune in their lifetime and are already doing so at a staggering pace of nearly a half billion dollars a year. In this episode, John explains his quest to address the most challenging social programs plaguing the country, including criminal justice, health care policy, and K-12 education. John also shares self-identified attributes that contributed to his success in natural gas trading and how those same traits have translated to his philanthropic aspirations. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:50 - John’s background, upbringing, and early entrepreneurial tendencies 00:16:45 - John’s time and rise at Enron 00:27:30 - Characteristics that made John an exceptional natural gas trader and how they translate to his philanthropic work 00:35:00 - The collapse of Enron 00:40:30 - The success of John’s hedge fund, and his early interest in philanthropy 00:55:45 - The infamous 2006 trade that brought down Amaranth Advisors 01:02:15 - John’s analytical prowess and emphasis on fundamentals 01:09:00 - The decision to become a full-time philanthropist and the founding of Arnold Ventures 01:18:45 - Education—John’s quest to fundamentally change K-12 education 01:24:30 - Strategic philanthropy—preventing problems by attacking root causes and creating structural change 01:31:45 - The criminal justice system—structural changes needed to address mass incarceration, policing practices, and recidivism 01:49:00 - Re-imagining prisons to reduce recidivism 01:56:15 - US health care policy—John’s focus on drug prices, and the severe consequences of not making system changes 02:12:45 - Climate change—the bipartisan role of John’s foundation 02:17:45 - Advice for young adults interested in philanthropy Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/johnarnold/ About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 30 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com/ Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Play: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGooglePlay

Dr. Peter AttiahostJohn Arnoldguest
Aug 24, 20202h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

John Arnold: From Natural Gas Trading Billions to Strategic Philanthropy

  1. Arnold traces his rise from teenage baseball card arbitrage to head natural gas trader at Enron by 25, then to a hedge fund that peaked near six billion dollars in assets.
  2. He credits emotional detachment, calibrated confidence and fundamentals-based research as the traits behind his trading success, and says they carry over to how he approaches philanthropy.
  3. After roughly two years of deliberation, he shut the fund in 2012 to focus on philanthropy, and he and his wife Laura aim to give away most of their fortune in their lifetimes, at about $400 million a year.
  4. He distinguishes charity, which addresses today's problems, from strategic philanthropy, which targets root causes, and says he focuses on systems change after finding that few programs have strong evidence of working.
  5. He applies this approach to criminal justice, K-12 education, drug pricing and climate, favoring bipartisan solutions while worrying about government debt and the lack of trade-offs in federal spending.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Emotional detachment and calibrated confidence made Arnold a great trader

He says he could not be read on his best or worst days, and that a trader must be confident enough to bet against the market yet aware he may be wrong. He applies the same mindset to testing philanthropic theories.

Fundamental research was his edge

Working at an information disadvantage as a hedge fund, he built a large research department that modeled natural gas flows, in what he describes as a closed system that is easier to model than oil.

Strategic philanthropy targets systems, not just programs

Arnold says he found little strong evidence that new programs work, and that proven programs are already funded by government. That led him to focus on changing the rules and incentives of systems.

Philanthropy can fund the evidence governments cannot afford to generate

Cash-constrained states struggle to make high-return investments such as better prison programming. Arnold sees philanthropy funding experiments and high-quality evaluations to make the case for them.

Choosing issues depends on political windows and bipartisan potential

The foundation looks for problems where left and right are starting to converge, and it started drug-pricing work about eight years before the window opened. It also targets neglected areas where it would be the largest philanthropic funder.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I think it takes a certain amount of arrogance to be a trader because the market's usually right, and to be a trader you have to say, "I think I'm smarter than the market here."

— John Arnold

You have to be arrogant, but you can be too arrogant, and that's been the destroyer of many trading careers is if you stick with it, I am right, the market is wrong, then you're gonna blow up.

— John Arnold

The more we would study, the less we knew about what worked, what didn't.

— John Arnold

It's hard when you've been playing in Vegas with, at the $25 table to go back down to the $5 table. It's just like not as emotionally interesting.

— John Arnold

The 20s is the time when you need to be kissing somebody else's butt. You need to be going to get the lunches for everybody else, not vice versa. You need to be trying to climb up through the organization, not be gifted the checkbook on day one.

— John Arnold

Baseball card and geographic arbitrageRise and collapse of EnronNatural gas hedge fund and the Amaranth tradeTransition to full-time philanthropyCharity versus strategic philanthropyCriminal justice reform and recidivismDrug pricing and federal debt

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