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174-The 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks: reflections on how they happened & lessons learned

Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://bit.ly/4c602k2 Lawrence Wright is the author of The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11 which won the 2007 Pulitzer Prize for general nonfiction and was named one of Time's top 100 books of all time. In this episode, released just before the 20th anniversary of the September 11th attacks, Lawrence and Peter discuss the book and the lasting impact of that day. Lawrence reflects on his personal experiences on that day and how he was first drawn into reporting on the attacks. Lawrence then discusses in detail the history that led up to 9/11 which is really composed of two parallel stories. The first story is of the growing discontent in Muslim countries, the roots of Islamic radicalism, and how two extremists, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, joined forces to create the global terrorist organization Al-Qaeda. The second story is about how interpersonal and institutional conflicts between the FBI and CIA led to a massive failure in intelligence and resulted in multiple missed opportunities to predict and prevent the attacks on September 11th, 2001. Finally, they reflect on what we should have learned from 9/11 and the future of terrorism. We discuss: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:10 - Lawrence and Peter recount their personal experiences on September 11th, 2001 00:06:32 - How 9/11 changed the US into a security state and affected a generation 00:12:34 - Lawrence’s early coverage of 9/11 and how he knew it was going to be “the story of our lifetime” 00:21:18 - Egyptian politics and the foundation of radical Islam 00:33:09 - Anwar Sadat’s presidency, assassination, and the birth of the radical Islamic movement 00:52:54 - Aftermath of the Sadat assassination, and establishment of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan 01:00:29 - Osama bin Laden: upbringing, involvement in the Soviet–Afghan War, and rise to celebrity status in Saudi Arabia 01:24:15 - How the Western intervention in Saudi Arabia impacted Arab nationalist’s hatred of America 01:29:58 - Theorizing on the role of the religion in holding back Islamic states from making progress towards democracy 01:43:28 - Bin Laden’s time in Sudan 01:48:53 - The CIA vs. the FBI: setting the stage for the failure of US intelligence 01:58:40 - The mistake by US intelligence of not taking the bombings of the US embassies and the USS Cole seriously 02:10:04 - Al-Qaeda in America: Losing the planners of the 9/11 attacks from our clutches and incompetence at the FBI and CIA 02:19:40 - Problematic policies in Europe, and a direct message warning of the 9/11 attacks 02:32:49 - The role of political infighting and personality conflicts that helped enable the 9/11 attacks and the lack of accountability 02:56:07 - What came of the 9/11 commission, the role of the Saudi government, and the trials of Ali Soufan 03:08:16 - Lessons from 9/11 and the future of terrorism Show notes page: https://peterattiamd.com/lawrencewright/ -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a weekly, ultra-deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing health, longevity, critical thinking…and a few other things. With over 30 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including fasting, ketosis, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter is a physician focusing on the applied science of longevity. His practice deals extensively with nutritional interventions, exercise physiology, sleep physiology, emotional and mental health, and pharmacology to increase lifespan (delay the onset of chronic disease), while simultaneously improving healthspan (quality of life). Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Subscribe to receive exclusive subscriber-only content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle

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Sep 6, 20213h 25mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Lawrence Wright Traces Al-Qaeda's Roots and America's 9/11 Intelligence Failures

  1. Wright and Attia recall their personal experiences of 9/11 and discuss how the attacks ended America's sense of invulnerability and produced a security state that Wright says abridges Americans' own freedom.
  2. Wright traces Al-Qaeda's ideological roots through Sayyid Qutb, Nasser's and Sadat's Egypt, the torture of imprisoned Islamists, and Ayman al-Zawahiri's path from medical student to jihadist organizer.
  3. The conversation covers Osama bin Laden's upbringing as the son of a famed Saudi contractor, his inflated image after Afghanistan, and his anger at the American troop presence in Saudi Arabia after Iraq invaded Kuwait.
  4. Wright argues the CIA hid information about two Al-Qaeda operatives in the US from the FBI, and that personal feuds, bureaucratic walls, and a lack of accountability enabled 9/11.
  5. Looking forward, Wright warns of expanding Al-Qaeda affiliates, drones, and biological threats, and says America squandered the opportunity 9/11 offered, doing more harm to itself than the attackers did.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

9/11 shattered American invulnerability and reshaped the country.

Wright says young people no longer know pre-9/11 America, and that the security state is an abridgment of freedom Americans impose on themselves, one he hopes the country can steer back from.

Humiliation is a powerful driver of radicalism.

Wright points to the 1967 war, Qutb's imprisonment, the torture of Zawahiri and others after Sadat's assassination, and Saudi reliance on foreign troops as humiliations that fueled the movement.

Qutb's execution and the idea of takfir opened the door to terrorism.

Wright says Qutb's martyrdom made him a symbol against Arab dictatorships, and the doctrine of declaring other Muslims non-believers gave Zawahiri and bin Laden permission to kill.

Bin Laden turned a nationalist jihadist movement into an international terror group.

Wright says bin Laden's resentment of the US presence in Saudi Arabia led him to redirect groups like Zawahiri's from toppling local rulers to attacking America, which he came to see as the near enemy.

The CIA withheld key information from the FBI.

Wright says the CIA knew by March 2000 that two Al-Qaeda members were in the US and hid the Kuala Lumpur meeting from the FBI during the Cole investigation, and he holds the CIA responsible for 9/11 not being prevented.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We've built up a security state, and we've been so deeply involved with the rest of the world in an antagonistic manner since then, and that has become normal but is an aberration in our history.

— Lawrence Wright

I think we've, we, we don't understand clearly the role of humiliation in human affairs. But it's very powerful.

— Lawrence Wright

I thought we squandered 9/11 terribly. And it's, it's the consequences of what we did to ourselves after 9/11 are greater than what was done to us.

— Lawrence Wright

But instead of getting bin Laden, bin Laden got him.

— Lawrence Wright

As an American, I can't tell you how disappointed I am in our intelligence agencies and the f- their failure to protect our country. That's their mission, but they got c- so caught up in their, their institutional and personal antagonisms that they allowed 9/11 to happen.

— Lawrence Wright

Personal memories of 9/11 and the security stateSayyid Qutb, Nasser, and Sadat's EgyptTorture, humiliation, and the rise of Al-JihadOsama bin Laden's background and Afghanistan legendCIA vs. FBI rivalry and Alec Station vs. I-49Embassy bombings, USS Cole, and hijackers in San DiegoAccountability, Saudi connections, and future terrorism threats

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