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Peter Attia MDPeter Attia MD

255-Latest therapeutics in CVD, APOE’s role in Alzheimer’s disease, familial hypercholesterolemia

Watch the full episode and view show notes here: https://bit.ly/3MKk0Er Become a member to receive exclusive content: https://peterattiamd.com/subscribe/ Sign up to receive Peter's email newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter/ John Kastelein is a renowned expert in lipoprotein metabolism and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease (ASCVD) research. In this discussion, John delves deep into familial hypercholesterolemia (FH), a genetic disorder characterized by high levels of LDL cholesterol in the blood that increases the risk of developing heart disease. He covers its definition, genetic underpinnings, and clinical identification. He then explores the therapeutic options available for the prevention and treatment of cardiovascular disease, including the captivating history of CETP inhibitors. He explains the past shortcomings of previous CETP inhibitors before underscoring the compelling potential of the latest iterations, not only for cardiovascular disease but also for conditions like Alzheimer's disease and type 2 diabetes. Moreover, he unveils the intricate role of APOE, shedding light on why the APOE4 isoform codes for a protein that significantly increases the risk of Alzheimer's disease and cardiovascular disease. Concluding the discussion, John shares a profound sense of optimism, envisioning the possibility of targeted therapeutic interventions for high-risk patients in the near future. We discuss: Intro [0:00] Familial hypercholesterolemia (FH): a genetic condition [4:30]; Differentiating between phenotype and genotype when it comes to FH [9:45]; The pathophysiology related to mutations of FH [15:30]; Clinical presentations, physical manifestations, and diagnosis of FH [22:00]; Criteria used to make a formal diagnosis of FH [30:15]; Why a small fraction of people with FH do not develop premature ASCVD [34:15]; Treatment and prevention for those with FH [39:45]; Addressing the assertion by some that elevated LDL is not casual in cardiovascular disease [52:45]; The history of CETP inhibitors and the role of the CETP protein [55:45]; The thrifty gene hypothesis and why genes underlying FH may have been preserved [1:09:00]; The compelling potential of the latest CETP inhibitor (obicetrapib) [1:13:00]; Promising results from phase 3 trials exploring obicetrapib [1:27:45]; Why the APOE4 allele increases the risk of Alzheimer’s disease, and the connection to blood lipids [1:41:30]; The role of APOE in cardiovascular disease [1:51:45];  Takeaways and looking ahead [1:57:00]; and More. -------- About: The Peter Attia Drive is a deep-dive podcast focusing on maximizing longevity, and all that goes into that from physical to cognitive to emotional health. With over 60 million episodes downloaded, it features topics including exercise, nutritional biochemistry, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s disease, cancer, mental health, and much more. Peter Attia is the founder of Early Medical, a medical practice that applies the principles of Medicine 3.0 to patients with the goal of lengthening their lifespan and simultaneously improving their healthspan. Learn more: https://peterattiamd.com Connect with Peter on: Facebook: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDFB Twitter: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDTW Instagram: http://bit.ly/PeterAttiaMDIG Subscribe to The Drive: Apple Podcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveApplePodcasts Overcast: http://bit.ly/TheDriveOvercast Spotify: http://bit.ly/TheDriveSpotify Google Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheDriveGoogle Disclaimer: This podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing, or other professional healthcare services, including the giving of medical advice. No doctor-patient relationship is formed. The use of this information and the materials linked to this podcast is at the user's own risk. The content on this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they have, and they should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. I take conflicts of interest very seriously. For all of my disclosures and the companies I invest in or advise, please visit my website where I keep an up-to-date and active list of such companies. For a full list of our registered and unregistered trademarks, trade names, and service marks, please review our Terms of Use: https://peterattiamd.com/terms-of-use/

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May 22, 20232h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

FH genetics, CETP inhibitor comeback, and apoE mechanisms in disease

  1. John Kastelein explains familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) as an autosomal dominant condition with near-complete penetrance where LDL is elevated from birth and can lead to early, often fatal coronary events if untreated.
  2. He describes how FH is diagnosed clinically through family history and isolated high LDL with secondary causes excluded, but emphasizes that genetic testing clarifies ambiguous cases due to LDL overlap between affected and unaffected relatives.
  3. He outlines FH treatment across the lifespan, including statin initiation in childhood, escalation to combination lipid-lowering therapy in adults, and advanced options for severe heterozygous and homozygous FH.
  4. Kastelein reviews the “sordid” history of CETP inhibitors, arguing that prior failures largely reflected off-target toxicity or reliance on HDL changes rather than sufficient LDL/ApoB lowering.
  5. He presents obicetrapib as a highly potent CETP inhibitor in phase 3 development, discussing early safety/tolerability, strong LDL lowering, notable Lp(a) reductions, and mechanistic hypotheses linking CETP inhibition, APOA1, APOE4, and Alzheimer biology.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

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Familial hypercholesterolemia is an early-onset, high-penetrance genetic driver of premature ASCVD.

He explains FH as a highly penetrant autosomal dominant condition where LDL is elevated from birth, leading to early cholesterol deposition (tendon xanthomas, arcus cornealis, xanthelasmata) and a high risk of premature, often proximal, coronary events if untreated.

Genetic testing resolves the LDL-overlap problem and is especially informative when diagnosis is anchored in children.

He says clinical diagnosis relies on family history of premature coronary disease plus isolated elevated LDL (with normal triglycerides/HDL and secondary causes excluded), but notes overlap in LDL levels between affected and unaffected relatives; in their pediatric cohort with clear inheritance patterns, sequencing found mutations in ~95% of cases.

Different FH genes converge on one pathway: reduced LDL receptor–mediated clearance at the liver.

He describes the core mechanism as impaired hepatic clearance of LDL particles: ApoB binding defects, LDL receptor defects, or PCSK9 gain-of-function all reduce effective LDL receptor–mediated uptake, converging on the same phenotype of high LDL.

They treat FH aggressively from childhood—statins early, with lifestyle as supportive—not curative.

He outlines their pediatric approach: lifestyle counseling (including anti-smoking) but starting statins as early as age six; he notes they historically used pravastatin first, now broader statin use, sometimes adding ezetimibe, while acknowledging guideline targets like LDL <130 in children reflect conservatism rather than biology.

Modern FH care is combination therapy, yet a meaningful minority remain hard to treat even with multiple agents.

In adults (and in severe cases), he describes escalation to combination therapy (statin + ezetimibe + PCSK9 monoclonals; inclisiran as part of adult management) and, for homozygous FH, adding evinacumab; he notes a subset of “severe heterozygous FH” still doesn’t reach low LDL despite triple therapy.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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FH is a true autosomal dominant disease, meaning it, it's not sex-linked. Uh, you don't need two parents to get it. You only need one parent to get it. It's almost 100% penetrant, meaning that if you have a robust mutation in one of the genes that cause FH, you're almost certain to get the phenotype, and the phenotype starts very early.

— John Kastelein

It's not great science, but there are some indications, but most of that work is done preclinically.

— John Kastelein

If you're a man and you smoke and you have FH, it's a death sentence if you're not treated.

— John Kastelein

If you don't understand a side effect in phase two, you don't move a drug into phase three until you've understood it.

— John Kastelein

APOE4 is an insufficient molecule to get cholesterol out of cells in the brain that have too much or bring cholesterol to cells in the brain that have too little. So it fails on both accounts.

— John Kastelein

Familial hypercholesterolemia (FH) phenotype vs genotypeDutch Lipid Clinic criteria and mutation testingPediatric FH management and early statin therapyAdult FH escalation: ezetimibe, PCSK9 inhibitors, inclisiran, evinacumabSevere heterozygous vs homozygous FHCETP biology and prior CETP inhibitor trial failuresObicetrapib phase 2/3 program and proposed broader effects (diabetes, sepsis, Alzheimer’s)

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