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2024 Predictions on Tech, Business, and the Election

Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway share their 2024 predictions on China, Google, AI, stocks, and the presidential election. #pivot #podcast #2024 #predictions

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Dec 19, 202310mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:11

    Scott’s 2024 geopolitics call: Saudi Arabia–Israel normalization

    Scott predicts Saudi Arabia and Israel will normalize relations in 2024, arguing economic incentives could reinforce stability. He frames Biden’s military posture as helping contain wider escalation and emphasizes the importance of holding empathy for multiple sides.

    • Prediction: Saudi Arabia and Israel normalize relations in 2024
    • Economic interdependence as a pathway to maintaining peace
    • Biden’s carrier strike forces as conflict “ring-fencing”
    • Empathy for both sides as a necessary public stance
    • Current leadership seen as an obstacle, but momentum toward normalization remains
  2. 1:11 – 3:06

    US–China thaw as a “global tax cut” to fight inflation

    Scott forecasts a thaw in US–China relations, describing it as the equivalent of a major tax cut via lower costs and renewed growth. He ties the incentive for détente to inflation pressure in the West and economic fragility in China.

    • Prediction: US–China relations warm materially in 2024
    • Inflation as a political “regime killer” impacting households daily
    • China’s economic headwinds: markets, real estate stress, growth concerns
    • Mutual incentives: US innovation + China manufacturing lowers prices
    • Détente framed as fastest route to cheaper goods and higher quality globally
  3. 3:06 – 4:26

    AI disinformation surge + a surprising business winner: travel

    Scott adds two more calls: increased AI-driven disinformation early in the year and a boom in travel stocks. He argues a housing affordability crisis is redirecting younger consumers’ savings from homeownership toward travel.

    • Prediction: more AI disinformation in Q1–Q2 around the election
    • Prediction: travel industry and travel stocks outperform (e.g., Airbnb/Expedia)
    • Young adults “giving up” on buying homes increases disposable income
    • Housing undersupply: formations outpacing construction
    • Affordability squeeze: higher home prices plus higher interest rates drive behavior change
  4. 4:26 – 5:15

    Kara’s headline election prediction: Biden wins, not Trump

    Kara predicts Trump will not be president and Biden will win, despite polling narratives. She argues voters will recoil as they see more of Trump and feel incrementally better about the economy.

    • Prediction: Biden wins 2024; Trump loses
    • Voter fatigue with Trump as a decisive factor
    • Economic sentiment expected to improve over the year
    • Age concerns acknowledged but seen as outweighed by stability preference
    • RNC fundraising weakness cited as a leading indicator
  5. 5:15 – 5:59

    Why she’s confident: recent election signals + third-party caveats

    Kara points to recent state-level and legal/political developments as evidence that outcomes can break against “right-wing certainty.” She flags third-party candidates as the main risk factor but expects voters to consolidate against Trump.

    • Recent events used as evidence that predictions of right-wing wins can fail
    • Skepticism of hype around candidates like Glenn Youngkin
    • Primary caveat: third-party candidacies could complicate the race
    • Belief that many voters simply want to “move on”
    • Expectation that, faced with Trump, reluctant voters will turn out
  6. 5:59 – 6:27

    Scott presses: Will Trump go to jail—and when?

    Scott asks directly whether Trump will face jail time and whether it would happen before or after the election. Kara answers yes, stressing conviction timing as decisive for consequences.

    • Kara: Trump goes to jail (based on lawyers she’s spoken with)
    • Timing matters: conviction before election vs after
    • If not convicted pre-election: self-pardon and legal chaos become possible
    • A Trump administration framed as consumed by self-protection
    • Argument that voters don’t want more political “wasted time” drama
  7. 6:27 – 7:18

    Third-party field: Manchin, RFK, and youth protest votes

    Scott asks about Joe Manchin and RFK Jr. Kara downplays their staying power, arguing Manchin lacks stamina and RFK fades under scrutiny. She also predicts young voters upset about Israel will ultimately vote strategically when faced with Trump.

    • Manchin: ego but insufficient stamina/drive to run effectively
    • RFK Jr.: expected to fade as voters learn more
    • Youth frustration over Israel seen as time-limited and situational
    • Prediction: young voters won’t stay home in a Trump vs Biden choice
    • Belief that strategic voting will dominate as election nears
  8. 7:18 – 8:22

    Tech/regulation prediction: DOJ may beat Google in antitrust

    Kara predicts the Justice Department could win its Google case, while noting it’s largely backward-looking relative to how search is evolving. She’s less certain about Facebook-related cases and suggests 2024 could favor DOJ outcomes more than broader regulatory bodies.

    • Prediction: DOJ wins its antitrust case against Google
    • Case seen as backward-looking, even as search changes
    • Winning doesn’t automatically clarify real-world remedies
    • Facebook cases viewed as harder to prove (higher bar)
    • 2024 framed as potentially strong for DOJ enforcement outcomes
  9. 8:22 – 9:11

    If breakup happens, Google stock could win: “sum of the parts” debate

    Scott layers on a market prediction: if a breakup becomes plausible, Google could outperform other big tech in 2024. They discuss YouTube’s standalone strength and argue Google appears undervalued versus peers on revenue multiples.

    • Scott’s prediction: breakup risk could make Google a top-performing big tech stock
    • YouTube described as a standalone juggernaut
    • Search positioned as an “ultimate tollbooth” business
    • Idea: spin YouTube or pair AI + cloud to unlock value
    • Both agree Google looks cheaper than other big tech on revenue multiples
  10. 9:11 – 10:05

    Wrap-up: confidence vs polling, and the show’s punchline

    They close by reaffirming their predictions and debating whether polling can be trusted. Kara rejects polls as unreliable, while Scott jokes about taking a poll—ending with Kara’s final “prediction” that Scott will keep making tasteless jokes.

    • Kara doubles down: distrust of polls; belief in a “silent majority” wanting to move on
    • Scott notes data/polling suggests they could be wrong, but concedes the point
    • They reiterate hope that the political prediction is right
    • Comedic bit punctuates the polling debate
    • Kara’s closing prediction: Scott will keep making tasteless jokes (and she’ll call DOJ)

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