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As DOGE Brings Chaos, What is Elon Musk's Endgame? | Pivot

Kara Swisher and guest co-host, Wired's Global Editorial Director Katie Drummond, discuss all things DOGE. First up, who's actually in charge? The White House says it's not Elon Musk, but President Trump (and Elon's actions) say otherwise.

Kara SwisherhostKatie DrummondguestDonald TrumpguestSteve Bannonguest

Feb 21, 202555mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Released: February 21, 2025
Duration: 55m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara Swisher and guest co-host, Wired's Global Editorial Director Katie Drummond, discuss all things DOGE. First up, who's actually in charge? The White House says it's not Elon Musk, but President Trump (and Elon's actions) say otherwise. Then, what are DOGE engineers actually accessing, and what's Elon's ultimate endgame? Plus, Trump's king talk, Steve Bannon calling tech oligarchs anti-MAGA, and X's new valuation. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:03 Wired’s Coverage of Elon and DOGE 09:39 Who’s Really Running DOGE? 17:43 DOGE’s Strategy 25:18 Bannon vs. Elon 29:00 Elon’s Conflict of Interest 35:29 King Trump? 37:29 X Raising Money at a $44B Valuation 44:29 What Should Democrats Do? 50:40 Predictions #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #elonmusk #donaldtrump #wired #doge #stevebannon Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Editor: Andy Robinson Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Vox Media's Executive Producer of Audio: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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Kara Swisher
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Katie Drummond
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Donald Trump
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Steve Bannon
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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Katie Drummond, As DOGE Brings Chaos, What is Elon Musk's Endgame? | Pivot explores Elon’s Doge Takeover: Wired Exposes Chaos, Power, And Impunity Kara Swisher and Wired’s global editorial director Katy Drummond discuss Wired’s aggressive reporting on “Doge,” Elon Musk’s parallel power structure embedded inside the Trump administration and the federal bureaucracy.

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