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Did Gavin Newsom Just Become the Best Democratic Nominee for President? | Pivot

Kara and Scott discuss the tensions flaring between Trump and Newsom over the National Guard’s LA deployment. Then, Elon Musk regrets “some” of his recent posts about President Trump, and X lures advertisers by getting litigious. All of that plus: the U.S.-China trade deal is back, OpenAI makes a deal with Google, and more. #karaswisher #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #nationalguard #military #protests #la #losangeles #immigration #gavinnewsom #democrats #elonmusk #trump #x #advertising #china #trade #openai #google #abc #terrymoran #disney #universal #midjourney Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 5:20 Minnesota Lawmaker Shootings 16:28 Trump’s Military Parade and No Kings Protests 28:24 Iran-Israel Conflict Escalates 39:57 Defense Department Reviews SpaceX Contracts 56:18 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot This episode is presented to you by IBM. https://ibm.com

Scott GallowayhostKara Swisherhost
Jun 13, 20251h 2mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 3:58

    Tanks in D.C. and the symbolism of Trump’s military parade

    Kara and Scott open with a sharp critique of the planned military parade in Washington, D.C., framing it as authoritarian political theater rather than patriotism. They discuss how militarized optics can feel alien to American democratic norms and why the parade reads as “cosplaying masculinity.”

    • Kara’s on-the-ground reaction to a tank-heavy parade atmosphere in D.C.
    • Parade framed as performative power display rather than civic celebration
    • Comparison to historical U.S. moments and to authoritarian regimes’ aesthetics
    • Argument that such spectacle is disconnected from real national security priorities
  2. 3:58 – 6:53

    From LA immigration raids to a national political moment for Gavin Newsom

    The conversation turns to nationwide fallout from immigration raids and Trump’s escalatory rhetoric (National Guard, Marines, Insurrection Act). They spotlight Gavin Newsom’s televised pushback as a pivotal messaging moment and suggest he’s seizing a leadership vacuum for Democrats.

    • Trump claims about LA ‘obliteration’ challenged as misinformation
    • Discussion of National Guard/Marine deployments and Insurrection Act talk
    • Clip and reaction to Newsom’s speech warning of democratic backsliding
    • No Kings protests positioned as a major upcoming mobilization
  3. 6:53 – 8:28

    Newsom as ‘de facto’ Democratic leader—and why California still matters

    Scott argues Newsom is emerging as the Democratic standard-bearer, emphasizing California’s economic scale and innovation engine. They counter the narrative that elites have permanently fled the state, pointing to a tech ‘boomerang’ tied to AI and opportunity.

    • California framed as the world’s 4th-largest economy and a net federal ‘giver’
    • Tech talent and capital returning despite anti-California discourse
    • Cultural and geographic ‘brand’ of California as an asset in national politics
    • Newsom’s moment seen as partly accidental but politically advantageous
  4. 8:28 – 16:20

    Protest optics, media incentives, and the risk of playing into Trump’s hands

    They debate how protest imagery can be selectively amplified to shift public perception, even if most demonstrations are peaceful. Scott argues certain symbols (masks, non-U.S. flags) can be weaponized by opponents, and Kara predicts the broader ‘No Kings’ framing could resonate if disciplined.

    • Media focus on sensational fringe incidents vs. the peaceful majority
    • Flags and masks as political optics that can alienate moderates
    • Claim that National Guard presence can increase tensions requiring more policing
    • Concern about possible provocation/‘false flag’ dynamics
  5. 16:20 – 19:53

    Autocrat alliances and a strategic distraction from the tax bill

    Kara brings up reporting on El Salvador’s Bukele and alleged collusion with gangs, arguing it undercuts ‘tough on crime’ narratives. Scott zooms out: he predicts the unrest cycle will cool, but warns the bigger consequence is attention being pulled away from the administration’s tax bill.

    • ProPublica reporting on Bukele/MS-13 raised as reputational risk for Trump’s allies
    • Discussion of whether the story will break through the news cycle
    • Expectation that states and Democratic governors will adapt to the playbook
    • Claim that the tax bill is the more consequential policy fight
  6. 19:53 – 24:52

    Trump-China ‘deal’: back to square one with tariffs and rare earth leverage

    They assess Trump’s announcement of another China trade ‘deal’ as mostly a reset with lingering damage. Scott argues the U.S. brand and negotiating position have weakened, while China’s rare earth dominance and higher pain tolerance gives it strategic advantage.

    • Rare earth shipments framed as China’s major leverage point
    • Tariff numbers discussed and the asymmetry highlighted
    • Argument that uncertainty erodes U.S. credibility and economic stability
    • Contrast between U.S. short-term incentives and China’s long-term power calculus
  7. 24:52 – 27:17

    Elon Musk’s partial apology tour—and the limits of his power vs. Trump

    After the ad break, they dissect Musk’s vague 3 a.m. regret post and reports of a behind-the-scenes détente. They portray Musk as politically diminished, question whether reconciliation is durable, and frame the feud as another distraction that crowds out real crises.

    • Musk’s ‘went too far’ message seen as non-specific groveling
    • Vance and Susie Wiles described as mediating to contain the fallout
    • Speculation Musk won’t regain prior White House access or influence
    • Critique of media attention prioritizing celebrity conflict over geopolitics
  8. 27:17 – 32:08

    Tesla’s robotaxi reality check: delays, geofencing, and valuation risk

    They review Musk’s long history of overpromising self-driving timelines and the upcoming Austin robotaxi rollout. Scott outlines a stark valuation scenario if Tesla is priced like a conventional automaker, while Kara describes personal brand revulsion and Cybertruck incredulity.

    • Decade-long pattern of FSD promises and repeated ‘next year’ claims
    • Robotaxi launch described as controlled/geofenced and delay-prone
    • BYD comparison used to argue Tesla could face massive downside without autonomy
    • Tesla brand damage and leadership churn (including Optimus) noted
  9. 32:08 – 36:39

    X’s advertiser coercion: lawsuits as a sales strategy and brand safety collapse

    They discuss reporting that X pressured advertisers with legal threats and framed pullbacks as collusive boycotts. Scott argues buying ads on X now carries litigation risk and reputational exposure; Kara says the strategy has tarnished Linda Yaccarino’s standing in advertising.

    • WSJ reporting on pressure campaigns targeting major advertisers
    • FTC scrutiny of coordinated ad boycotts mentioned
    • Brand-safety concerns amplified by reports of pro-Nazi content on verified accounts
    • Critique of Yaccarino’s leadership and the toxic ad-sales environment
  10. 36:39 – 41:59

    OpenAI diversifies compute with Google Cloud as the AI arms race accelerates

    They react to news OpenAI will use Google Cloud alongside Microsoft Azure, interpreting it as a compute-supply and strategic diversification move. The discussion broadens to Meta’s AI reshuffle, Google cost-cutting to fund AI, and the race dynamics of features, branding, and distribution.

    • OpenAI-Google Cloud deal framed as a major competitive realignment
    • Microsoft capacity constraints vs. OpenAI’s need to diversify debated
    • Meta’s ‘superintelligence’ push and Scale AI partnership mentioned
    • Google buyouts and return-to-office framed as AI-driven workforce reshaping
  11. 41:59 – 47:55

    ABC parts ways with Terry Moran: newsroom standards vs. economic pressure

    They debate ABC’s decision not to renew Terry Moran after a Trump/Miller post, balancing professional norms against corporate fear and cost-cutting. Scott argues legacy media increasingly uses ‘standards’ as cover while ad dollars shift to Big Tech, and Kara agrees the punishment lacked grace.

    • Moran’s post labeled a policy violation, contrasted with past newsroom leniency
    • Scott claims Alphabet/Meta ad dominance drives harsher corporate responses
    • Discussion of media companies ‘bending the knee’ to political intimidation
    • Broader reflection on loyalty, ‘family’ rhetoric, and worker treatment
  12. 47:55 – 53:18

    Disney/Universal sue Midjourney: the moment for IP owners to unite

    They view the studios’ lawsuit against Midjourney as a necessary escalation in the copyright fight over training data and generated outputs. Scott argues creators must coordinate aggressively rather than cut scattered one-off deals, invoking Disney’s historic ruthlessness in defending IP.

    • First major Hollywood studio suit framed as a bellwether for the industry
    • Argument for collective action and centralized licensing frameworks
    • Warning that the ‘Google crawling’ era shows what happens when creators don’t act early
    • Anecdote: ‘You don’t mess with the mouse’ as shorthand for IP enforcement
  13. 53:18 – 1:02:40

    Predictions: Newsom’s 2028 positioning and OpenAI’s ‘overpriced’ design acquisition

    In the closing segment, Scott formalizes his political prediction that Newsom exits the week as Democrats’ de facto leader, and they riff on potential VP pairings and electability constraints. Scott’s business prediction targets OpenAI’s $6.5B design-firm acquisition as likely value destruction and a future write-down.

    • Newsom predicted to occupy the Democratic leadership vacuum without formally declaring
    • VP speculation (e.g., Buttigieg, Raimondo, Mark Kelly) and electability heuristics debated
    • Discussion of Republican 2028 possibilities (Vance vs. alternatives)
    • Scott predicts OpenAI’s design acquisition will be one of the decade’s worst overpays

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