Don’t Fall for the Buy Now, Pay Later Trap | Pivot

Kara and Scott break down the post-Thanksgiving spending surge, as shoppers set new records online and in stores. Then, tech bros rush to the defense of Trump's AI and Crypto czar David Sacks after a New York Times article calls out conflicts of interest. Plus, speculation heats about the next Fed Chair, and Melania launches a production company. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 4:57 Consumer Spending Surges 15:57 Who’s the Next Fed Chair? 21:50 Questions about Trump’s AI Czar 28:12 Trump’s Immigration Crackdown 33:24 Melania Launches Production Company 40:49 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #blackfriday #shopping #davidsacks #ai #techbros #trump #immigration #fedchair #kevinhassett #melaniatrump Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott GallowayhostGuestguest

Dec 2, 202558mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: December 2, 2025
Duration: 58m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

Kara and Scott break down the post-Thanksgiving spending surge, as shoppers set new records online and in stores. Then, tech bros rush to the defense of Trump's AI and Crypto czar David Sacks after a New York Times article calls out conflicts of interest. Plus, speculation heats about the next Fed Chair, and Melania launches a production company. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 4:57 Consumer Spending Surges 15:57 Who’s the Next Fed Chair? 21:50 Questions about Trump’s AI Czar 28:12 Trump’s Immigration Crackdown 33:24 Melania Launches Production Company 40:49 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #blackfriday #shopping #davidsacks #ai #techbros #trump #immigration #fedchair #kevinhassett #melaniatrump Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

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Kara Swisher
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Scott Galloway
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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Narrator, Don’t Fall for the Buy Now, Pay Later Trap | Pivot explores why ‘Buy Now, Pay Later’ And AI Retail Booms Threaten Consumers Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway unpack record Black Friday spending, noting that inflation and affluent shoppers mask flat real demand and growing fragility in a top-10%-driven economy. They zero in on the explosion of “buy now, pay later” (BNPL) usage—especially among young people—as a dangerous new form of lightly disguised debt that echoes subprime dynamics. The conversation widens to conflicts of interest in tech and politics, including David Sacks’ AI role in the Trump White House, Melania Trump’s $40 million production deal, and immigration crackdowns that undercut both U.S. security and economic strength. They close by critiquing the over-prescription of therapy as a universal fix and arguing that structural economic reforms would do more for mental health than individual counseling alone.

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