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Kara and Scott discuss Senator Joni Ernst's callous comments about Medicaid cuts, Texas's new law requiring app stores to verify ages, and Taylor Swift's blockbuster deal to get the rights to her masters. Then, Elon leaves The White House with a literal black eye, and denies a New York Times report about his ketamine use. Plus, Trump raises tariffs yet again, and lashes out at China. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 6:09 Sen. Ernst: “We All Are Going to Die” 14:41 Texas Age Verification Bill 21:29 Taylor Swift Regains Ownership of Masters 24:55 Elon Denies Drug Use 33:55 Trump Axes Elon Ally for NASA Admin 38:26 Trump Doubles Steel and Aluminum Tariffs 43:48 Trump Lashes Out at China 48:19 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #jodiernst #texas #taylorswift #elonmusk #drugs #trump #donaldtrump #nasa #tariffs #china Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Corinne Ruff Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

Kara SwisherhostScott Galloway (credits reader)hostJoni Ernst (clip artifact)guestTariff/China policy expert (clip guest)guestJeffrey Goldbergguest
Jun 2, 202557mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Elon’s Ketamine, Trump’s Tariffs, Taylor’s Masters, And Toxic Politics

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway open with personal banter before diving into U.S. political coarseness, starting with Senator Joni Ernst’s flippant Medicaid comment and what it reveals about Trump-style cruelty becoming a political norm. They debate the impact of social media on rage, gender relations, and public decorum, and argue there’s a big opening for ‘adult in the room’ leadership focused on fiscal responsibility and basic decency. They then examine state and potential federal efforts to age‑gate social media and smartphones, strongly backing stricter rules for minors while dismissing Big Tech’s privacy objections as cynical. The episode also covers Taylor Swift’s $360M reclaiming of her masters, Elon Musk’s alleged drug use and political downfall in “Doge,” Trump’s tariff theatrics and likely market manipulation, China tensions, U.S. reputation damage abroad, Ukraine’s daring military success, and a lighter close with cultural wins and fails.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Cruelty is being misbranded as leadership in U.S. politics.

Ernst’s Medicaid remark and non‑apology embody a broader GOP trend of mimicking Trump’s coarse style; Swisher and Galloway argue most Americans are tired of perpetual dunking and want calm, competent, humane leadership instead.

Social media monetizes rage and fractures core social bonds.

Galloway contends platforms profit by pitting people against each other while showcasing others’ prosperity, fueling resentment; he also argues they’ve successfully turned men and women into mutual antagonists, undermining the ‘greatest alliance in history.’

Age and biology should be central in tech and policy rules.

They argue minors’ brains are ill‑suited for smartphones and addictive apps, advocating no smartphones under 16, stricter age‑gating at both device and app levels, and even age caps (e.g., no presidents over 75) based on cognitive realities.

Big Tech’s ‘privacy’ defense against kids’ protections is hollow.

Galloway points out society already trades some privacy for security and utility (air travel, passports), and that companies happily exploit far more sensitive behavioral data; invoking privacy to avoid age checks for kids is called cynical and indefensible.

Owning IP is about control, not just money, for creators.

Taylor Swift’s buyback of her masters gives her veto power over how her work is used—avoiding cheap or incongruent licensing—and lets her shape her long‑term legacy, a template they expect to matter even more in an AI‑driven future.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We’ve conflated leadership with cruelty and coarseness.

Scott Galloway

I don’t think everyone wants to spend their lives as a 12‑year‑old asshole.

Kara Swisher

Biology is undefeated.

Scott Galloway

The notion that these people give a flying fuck about privacy is just laughable.

Scott Galloway (on Big Tech’s anti–age‑verification arguments)

Look what money’s done to us.

Scott Galloway (on Elon Musk and the idolatry of wealth)

The rise of cruelty and Trump cosplay in Republican politics (Joni Ernst example)Social media’s role in polarization, gender antagonism, and coarsened discourseAge verification, kids’ online safety, and device vs. app responsibilityTaylor Swift’s purchase of her masters and control over legacy and licensingElon Musk’s alleged ketamine use, erratic behavior, and diminishing political cloutTrump’s tariffs, the “taco trade,” and suspected market manipulation around policyGlobal perception of the U.S., Ukraine’s strategic strike on Russian bombers, and American soft power

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