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Kara and Scott discuss Trump's threat to invoke the Insurrection Act amid ICE violence in Minneapolis. Then, Paramount files a lawsuit against Warner Bros in a desperate bid to block the Netflix deal, Apple strikes an AI deal with Google, and the FBI raids a Washington Post reporter's home. Plus, the Clintons refuse to testify in the Epstein inquiry, and Meta appoints a former Trump adviser as President. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #insurrectionact #ice #minneapolis #paramount #warnerbros #netflix #google #apple #washingtonpost #epstein #meta 00:00 Intro 00:35 Trump Threatens Insurrection Act 12:47 Iran’s Future 19:04 Epstein Files Delayed 30:36 Paramount Sues Warner Bros. 42:51 FBI Search Home of Washington Post Reporter 50:59 Apple and Google Team Up on AI 58:24 Meta Names Former Trump Adviser President 1:02:35 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Manolo Moreno Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Jan 15, 20261h 12mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trump, media capitulation, Epstein delays, and tech-power alliances reshape politics

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway argue the U.S. is facing a dangerous mix of escalating executive power and weak opposition, spotlighting Trump’s Insurrection Act threats amid anti-ICE protests and alleged efforts to manufacture “justification” for martial-law style moves.
  2. They frame foreign-policy turbulence (Iran, Qatar troop moves, Greenland) as both destabilizing and potentially distracting from the delayed release of the Epstein files, which is creating visible fractures inside the MAGA coalition.
  3. The episode then shifts to corporate warfare in media (Paramount vs. Warner Bros., Netflix’s bid dynamics) and broader governance themes: how boards really make decisions and how power concentrates around a few influential figures.
  4. Finally, they cover major tech realignments—Apple partnering with Google’s Gemini for Apple Intelligence, publishers suing Google’s ad-tech stack, and Meta hiring Dina Powell McCormick as a strategic move to finance or secure government backing for massive AI data-center buildouts.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

They view Insurrection Act rhetoric as a deliberate escalation strategy.

Swisher suggests officials may be “creating the problem” to justify extraordinary federal action; Galloway argues the response must focus on credible deterrence and accountability rather than outrage alone.

Democrats’ strongest leverage is building future legal and political consequences now.

Galloway proposes publicly laying groundwork for investigations, prosecutions, and constraints on pardon abuse to create a “non-zero probability” of accountability for officials ordering or enabling violence.

Foreign-policy chaos is portrayed as both dangerous and politically convenient.

They connect Iran/Qatar/Greenland turbulence to a broader pattern of distraction politics—especially as Epstein document release deadlines slip and attention shifts elsewhere.

Epstein transparency is becoming a coalition-splitting issue, not a niche scandal.

They highlight Ro Khanna and Thomas Massie pushing for a special master and “inherent contempt” fines, framing it as a crack in MAGA as much as a Democratic accountability push.

Media institutions are pressured into “state-media” dynamics through access, fear, and ownership incentives.

Swisher criticizes CBS-style access journalism and condemns the FBI search of a Washington Post reporter as source-chilling; both argue owners (notably Bezos) must publicly defend press independence.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

It’s the worst cocktail in the world for democracy… you have a fascist who doesn’t have a credible opposition.

— Scott Galloway

It feels like I’m in the middle of a Nazi movie at this point.

— Kara Swisher

Unless you give these people the sense that there’s a non-zero probability that they will be held accountable… they’re going to continue.

— Scott Galloway

News does not want to be the news. News reports the news.

— Kara Swisher

Denmark is similar to me showing up with an AR-15… and saying, ‘If you don’t give me a burrito bowl… I’m gonna kill everyone here.’

— Scott Galloway

Insurrection Act threats and ICE protest escalationDemocratic response: accountability, prosecutions, limiting pardonsIran regime stability, protests, and “brand Israel” argumentGreenland pressure campaign and alliance strainEpstein files delay; Khanna–Massie tactics; Clintons’ refusal letterParamount–Warner Bros. battle; Netflix bid mechanics; deal-timing riskApple–Google Gemini deal; Google ad-tech lawsuits; Meta’s Dina Powell hire

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