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Kara and Scott discuss X’s new “About This Account” feature, which appears to show a wave of MAGA accounts posting from Russia, India, Nigeria, and beyond. They also unpack Marco Rubio denying and downplaying reports that he privately called the Ukraine peace plan a Russian “wish list.” Plus, Google scores a major win with Gemini 3, Eli Lilly hits $1 trillion in market cap, and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene announces her exit from Congress. Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 5:02 Foreign Influence on U.S. Politics 19:34 Trump-Mamdani “Lovefest” 27:06 Google’s Gemini 3 Win 33:46 AI Bubble Fears Return 39:18 Rep. MTG Will Resign 47:41 Eli Lilly Hits $1 Trillion 51:19 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott GallowayhostGuestguestMarjorie Taylor Greeneguest
Nov 25, 20251h 6mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 5:00

    Kefir, tattoos, and catching up before the news

    Kara and Scott banter about wellness routines, fermentation, and tattoos, using humor to ease into a heavy news cycle. The conversation also touches on weekend life updates and their running jokes about aging and self-care.

    • Kara’s workout/kefir kickoff vs. Scott’s skepticism
    • Tattoo talk: why Kara likes them, why Scott doesn’t
    • Personal weekend updates and listener shout-outs
    • Humor as a tonal warm-up before politics/tech
  2. 5:00 – 6:10

    X’s new account transparency feature exposes foreign “America First” accounts

    Kara flags a major story: X’s new “About This Account” tool reveals many prominent MAGA/America First accounts appear to be operated from abroad. They discuss why the feature matters, its inaccuracies, and the likelihood it will be gamed or manipulated.

    • X surfaces account location, creation date, and username changes
    • Many political accounts appear based in Russia, India, Nigeria, Pakistan
    • Concerns about data accuracy and easy manipulation
    • Why transparency features can help but aren’t sufficient governance
  3. 6:10 – 7:03

    Russia, Ukraine peace-plan messaging, and the broader information war

    They connect X’s troll dynamics to U.S. foreign policy messaging around Ukraine, arguing Russian narratives are being laundered into U.S. discourse. Rubio’s defense of a disputed “28-point plan” becomes an example of how propaganda and politics intersect.

    • Rubio’s bind: public defense vs. private doubts about the plan
    • Trump’s pressure on Zelenskyy framed as dismissive/transactional
    • How information manipulation shapes public support for Ukraine aid
    • The ‘systemic’ nature of narrative capture across media and politics
  4. 7:03 – 9:40

    How troll farms and comment sections reshape beliefs (and monetize outrage)

    Scott breaks down why social platforms are a dream tool for intelligence agencies and adversaries: cheap, scalable narrative warfare. They emphasize that comments—often from low-credibility accounts—can shame people into self-censorship and push discourse toward extremism, sometimes driven by pure profit.

    • Influence ops are cheaper than traditional military power projection
    • Comment brigades can be more persuasive than posts themselves
    • ‘Dog Mom Wisconsin’ profiles as signals of inauthenticity
    • Outrage content can be foreign propaganda, grift, or both
  5. 9:40 – 11:55

    Personal strategies for resisting manipulation: ignore comments, avoid playing to bots

    They pivot from diagnosis to coping: how creators and citizens should interact with social media without becoming captive to feedback loops. Kara advocates blocking and disengaging, while Scott describes the psychological power of shame and ‘tribe’ dynamics.

    • Why ‘likes’ and comments can distort what people say and believe
    • Shame/ostracism instincts make online backlash feel existential
    • Kara’s approach: block rather than debate
    • Scott’s advice: speak from conviction; don’t optimize for engagement
  6. 11:55 – 13:44

    Platform responsibility: Zuckerberg’s denial, Musk’s incentives, and ‘town square’ integrity

    Kara criticizes tech leaders for minimizing foreign influence and failing to mitigate coordinated manipulation. They argue X’s incentives and Musk’s behavior (including Grok controversies) suggest transparency tools may be performative or selectively enforced.

    • Historical denialism about foreign interference (Meta example)
    • Musk’s governance style and incentive structure at X
    • Why mitigation (not perfection) should be the bar
    • Skepticism that X will maintain trustworthy transparency
  7. 13:44 – 19:31

    Rubio and the GOP’s reversal on Russia: from hardline posture to parroting talking points

    Scott provides a timeline of foreign influence operations and argues adversaries often benefit from divisiveness—and frequently from GOP-aligned narratives. They lament the GOP’s shift from Cold War hawkishness to positions that appear aligned with Russian interests.

    • 2016–2024 examples: Russia/ إيران ops, AI-assisted influence, reduced gov warnings
    • Foreign actors target divisiveness; GOP narratives often align as a byproduct
    • GOP historical reversal from anti-Russia hardliners to apparent accommodation
    • Rubio portrayed as ambitious, flexible, and rhetorically evasive
  8. 19:31 – 27:04

    Trump–Mamdani Oval Office ‘lovefest’: mutual benefit and political optics

    After a comedic transition back to tattoos, Kara revisits her prediction that Trump and NYC’s Mamdani would get along. They analyze the meeting as a savvy, statesmanlike ‘win-win’ built on visuals, power recognition, and pragmatic governance.

    • Trump praises Mamdani as ‘different’ and potentially ‘great for New York’
    • Why Mamdani benefits from showing respect and securing federal cooperation
    • Trump’s attraction to winners/strength and the value of gracious optics
    • Democratic leaders’ missed opportunity to embrace a rising star
  9. 27:04 – 31:55

    Google’s Gemini 3 surge: benchmarks, distribution power, and monetization via ads

    They assess Google’s apparent leap forward with Gemini 3 and the market reaction as Alphabet edges past Microsoft in valuation. Scott argues the bigger story is Google turning on ads in AI overviews, leveraging unrivaled distribution to scale monetization fast.

    • Gemini 3 performance claims and shifting sentiment (incl. Benioff praise)
    • OpenAI’s ‘Netscape risk’ if incumbents catch up and distribute faster
    • AI Overviews improving—and now adding sponsored results
    • Google’s ad model advantage vs. subscription-first AI competitors
  10. 31:55 – 33:41

    Using LLMs in daily life: adoption gaps, second-screen workflows, and privacy tradeoffs

    Scott shares practical habits for learning AI tools—uploading documents, iterating prompts, and treating models like a ‘smart intern.’ Kara pushes back on privacy and data-sharing, highlighting the trust gap that may limit widespread adoption despite enterprise licenses.

    • Second-screen habit: continuously testing what LLMs are good/bad at
    • Enterprise problem: big licenses, low employee adoption
    • Healthcare/admin use cases (e.g., reading digital medical reports)
    • Kara’s reluctance to share personal data with AI platforms
  11. 33:41 – 39:16

    AI bubble anxiety returns: fragile markets, Bitcoin slump, and ‘wall of worry’ dynamics

    They discuss market volatility despite strong Nvidia earnings, with crypto sliding and investors debating whether AI valuations are mania or justified. Scott frames it as a familiar cycle: worry can extend rallies, and crashes often come after complacency sets in.

    • Nvidia gives a short-term boost; broader tech still pulls back
    • Bitcoin’s worst month since 2022 framed as a ‘check-back’
    • Historical pattern: ‘crazy’ → ‘insane’ → ‘new paradigm’ → crash
    • Risk management: diversification, cash, and Buffett’s massive reserve
  12. 39:16 – 47:38

    MTG resigns: brand strategy, GOP enabling, and a reminder of her record

    Kara and Scott react to Marjorie Taylor Greene’s resignation announcement and her rhetoric about term limits and being a ‘battered wife.’ Scott argues the bigger story is Republican enabling of extremism, then lists MTG’s conspiracies, incendiary rhetoric, and alleged trading conflicts—ending with ‘good riddance.’

    • Resignation framed as response to Trump attacks and intra-party conflict
    • Potential House control implications if more GOP members depart
    • Scott’s ‘enablers’ critique: cowardice and careerism over character
    • MTG’s history: election denial, conspiracies, bigotry, and ethics concerns
  13. 47:38 – 51:10

    Eli Lilly hits $1T: GLP-1s as the decade’s transformative ‘technology’

    They shift to business/health: Eli Lilly’s market-cap milestone driven by GLP-1 demand and the race toward an FDA-approved pill. Scott argues GLP-1s may matter more to daily life than AI and proposes a government bulk-purchase strategy to cut healthcare costs and improve national wellbeing.

    • Lilly’s surge on Mounjaro/Zepbound and expectations for a GLP-1 pill
    • GLP-1s positioned as more impactful than AI for many consumers
    • Links to reduced healthcare burden, comorbidities, and economic stability
    • Policy idea: national-scale procurement/distribution to lower costs
  14. 51:10 – 1:06:18

    Wins & Fails: Meta harms kids, DOGE fallout, billionaire overreach, and government incompetence

    In the closing segment, Kara and Scott deliver their weekly wins and fails. Kara targets Meta’s alleged knowledge of harms to youth and calls the DOGE saga a corrupt grift; she applauds pushback against billionaire dominance. Scott’s fail is collapsing government competence via loyalty hires, and his win is praising Vince Gilligan’s new show.

    • Kara fail: Meta allegedly ignored fixes to protect young users
    • Kara fail/win theme: DOGE as grift; rising backlash to super-wealthy influence
    • Scott fail: ‘competence replaced by acolytes’ across key agencies
    • Scott win: Vince Gilligan and the new series ‘Pluribus’

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