How Kara Swisher "Cracked the Case"… and Got Dragged Into the Nuzzi-Lizza-RFK Jr drama | Pivot

First up, Oprah loves Scott, and Kara comments on her role in the Nuzzi-Lizza-RFK Jr drama. Then, they react to reports that Anthropic is eyeing an IPO, and Sam Altman declaring a “code red” at OpenAI. Plus, what it means that Netflix has sweetened its bid for Warner Bros. Discovery, and Scott’s coming around on Bitcoin. Stay tuned for predictions to hear which members of the Trump administration Scott thinks will get the boot soon. 00:00 Intro 9:06 Nuzzi & Lizza & RFK Jr 16:40 Anthropic IPO? 23:17 Warner Bros. Bids 34:58 Michael Dell’s Trump Accounts Donation 38:48 Bitcoin Takes a Dive 43:09 Costco Sues U.S. Government 48:17 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Manolo Moreno Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost

Dec 5, 202552mWatch on YouTube ↗

EPISODE INFO

Released: December 5, 2025
Duration: 52m
Channel: Pivot
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EPISODE DESCRIPTION

First up, Oprah loves Scott, and Kara comments on her role in the Nuzzi-Lizza-RFK Jr drama. Then, they react to reports that Anthropic is eyeing an IPO, and Sam Altman declaring a “code red” at OpenAI. Plus, what it means that Netflix has sweetened its bid for Warner Bros. Discovery, and Scott’s coming around on Bitcoin. Stay tuned for predictions to hear which members of the Trump administration Scott thinks will get the boot soon. 00:00 Intro 9:06 Nuzzi & Lizza & RFK Jr 16:40 Anthropic IPO? 23:17 Warner Bros. Bids 34:58 Michael Dell’s Trump Accounts Donation 38:48 Bitcoin Takes a Dive 43:09 Costco Sues U.S. Government 48:17 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kate Gallagher Video Producer: Manolo Moreno Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway, How Kara Swisher "Cracked the Case"… and Got Dragged Into the Nuzzi-Lizza-RFK Jr drama | Pivot explores kara Swisher: From RFK Scandal ‘Swizzle Stick’ To AI Wars Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway open with a defense of Scott’s controversial comments on therapy, using it to illustrate how outrage algorithms and shallow hot takes distort public debate. They then pivot to Scott’s Oprah appearance, the media drama around Olivia Nuzzi, Ryan Lizza, and RFK Jr., and Kara’s unwanted role in exposing Nuzzi’s ethical breach. The episode broadens into tech and business: Anthropic vs. OpenAI and an AI bubble, a heated breakdown of bids for Warner Bros. Discovery and Trump-aligned dealmaking, Michael Dell’s “Trump accounts” philanthropy, volatility in Bitcoin, and Costco’s lawsuit challenging Trump-era tariffs. Throughout, they return to themes of accountability, structural vs. performative solutions, and how institutions—from media to tech to government—handle power and crisis.

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