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The Pivot Tour rolls on! Kara and Scott are live from Brooklyn with special guest Curtis Sliwa, founder of the Guardian Angels and former NYC mayoral candidate, to talk about his campaign, his cats, and more. Then, the government shutdown appears to be coming to an end, and Trump issues another round of pardons. Plus, the Supreme Court rejects a call to overturn its same-sex marriage decision, and a New York Times piece stirs backlash over women in the workplace. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 2:00 Curtis Sliwa’s Life and Mayoral Run 25:50 Government Shutdown Ending 34:47 Trump Grants More Pardons 39:10 NYT Gets Heat for Women in the Workplace Piece 46:13 SCOTUS Rejects Challenge to Same-Sex Marriage Decision 49:01 Scott’s Male Role Models 55:25 Q&A #pivot #podcast #pivottour #karaswisher #scottgalloway #shutdown #curtissliwa #supremecourt #newyorktimes #pardons Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Curtis SliwaguestScott GallowayhostKara Swisherhost
Nov 12, 20251h 11mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Live Pivot: Sliwa, Shutdown Surrender, AI Fears, and Masculinity

  1. In this live episode of Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway interview Curtis Sliwa about his New York City mayoral run, his animal-rights populism, and the origins of the Guardian Angels, framing him as a colorful, anti-billionaire outsider. They then pivot to a blistering critique of Democrats’ handling of the recent government shutdown, arguing that party leaders squandered leverage and betrayed voters on healthcare and economic security. The conversation broadens into cultural debates over gender, work, masculinity, and childcare, touching on same-sex marriage, Ross Douthat’s feminism column, and Galloway’s new book on men. Audience Q&A closes the show with concerns about AI’s risks and promise, and personal questions on parenting, marriage, and male role models.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Moneyed interests aggressively try to shape city politics, but pushback is possible.

Sliwa recounts alleged multimillion-dollar offers and threats from billionaires to leave the mayoral race, arguing that refusing them and publicizing the pressure can deter similar interference and keep elections more accountable to voters than donors.

Animal welfare can be a potent political and moral organizing principle.

Sliwa’s ‘protect animals’ ballot line and no-kill shelter agenda resonated with voters across party lines; he frames treatment of animals as directly linked to how a society treats its most vulnerable people.

A strong, non-carceral model of masculinity emphasizes service and protection, not weapons or dominance.

Describing the Guardian Angels, Sliwa and Galloway highlight a code where ‘real men’ protect the weak without guns, accept risk, and find purpose in service—offering an alternative to both toxic bravado and aimlessness.

Democrats’ handling of the shutdown is portrayed as a strategic and moral failure.

Galloway argues Democrats put the public through 40 days of disruption, then folded for little in return on Obamacare subsidies, reinforcing Republicans’ incentives to escalate and undermining trust that Democrats will fight for material wellbeing.

Economic security—especially healthcare and childcare—is central to family stability and male wellbeing.

Galloway connects medical debt and lack of universal childcare to divorce, male depression, and suicide, arguing that policies like socialized medicine and childcare would materially benefit both young men and families.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We need selfless servants, not self-serving servants.

Curtis Sliwa

A real man doesn’t need to have a gun. A real man should be protecting the poor, the infirm, the elderly, the children.

Curtis Sliwa

The American people prefer strong and wrong versus weak and right.

Scott Galloway

We put the American people through 40 days of real trauma for dick. Literally nothing.

Scott Galloway

If you want better men, we need to be better men.

Scott Galloway

Curtis Sliwa’s mayoral campaign, populism, and animal-rights platformInfluence of billionaires and money in New York City politicsGuardian Angels, masculinity, and purpose for young menDemocratic strategy and perceived capitulation in the government shutdownHealthcare, medical debt, and the case for socialized medicine/childcareGender, feminism, workplace dynamics, and same-sex marriageAI’s societal risks, regulation, and potential benefits (especially in healthcare)

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