Shutdown Ending: Did Democrats Cave for Nothing? | Pivot

1. 0:00 – 2:00

   Intro

   1. CSCurtis Sliwa0:00

      This is the live taping of the Pivot podcast with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway.

   2. SGScott Galloway0:11

      (cheering)

   3. CSCurtis Sliwa0:12

      Or as they're also known as the Dog and the Jungle Cat.

   4. SGScott Galloway0:19

      (cheering)

   5. CSCurtis Sliwa0:21

      And while Kara and Scott may disagree with me on a few things, I think quite a few things-

   6. SGScott Galloway0:28

      (laughing)

   7. CSCurtis Sliwa0:28

      ... here and there, we agree that we all love the big NYC, New York City.

   8. SGScott Galloway0:36

      (cheering)

   9. CSCurtis Sliwa0:38

      And that all the people, and especially our animal friends and family members, deserve to live their best lives here.

   10. SGScott Galloway0:49

       (cheering)

   11. CSCurtis Sliwa0:53

       We're honored to introduce them tonight at the Kings Theater, in the great borough of Brooklyn. Please welcome the Dog and the Jungle Cat!

   12. SGScott Galloway1:06

       (cheering)

   13. KSKara Swisher1:10

       (instrumental music) Hi, everyone. Live from the Kings Theater in Brooklyn, this is Pivot from New York Magazine-

   14. SGScott Galloway1:18

       (cheering)

   15. CSCurtis Sliwa1:24

       Yeah.

   16. KSKara Swisher1:25

       ... and the Vox... (laughs) And the Vox Media Podcast Network, I'm Kara Swisher.

   17. SGScott Galloway1:30

       (cheering)

   18. CSCurtis Sliwa1:30

       And I'm Sc-

   19. SGScott Galloway1:31

       (cheering)

   20. CSCurtis Sliwa1:39

       And I'm Scott Galloway.

   21. SGScott Galloway1:40

       (cheering)

   22. KSKara Swisher1:42

       And before we start, I wanna say a big thank you to our sponsors, Odoo and Upwork. Thank you. It's a business management software, Scott, so don't ... They're our lovely sponsors, we're thrilled to have 'em. We are taping this show for audio and YouTube distribution, you'll be able to hear it or watch it on Wednesday. Our special guest tonight

2. 2:00 – 25:50

   Curtis Sliwa’s Life and Mayoral Run

   1. KSKara Swisher2:00

      is Curtis Sliwa, radio host, founder of the Guarding Angels, and most recently, the Republican candidate for mayor of New York City.

   2. SGScott Galloway2:08

      (cheering)

   3. KSKara Swisher2:09

      Um, uh, give him a cheer, come on, Brooklyn. As you know, he didn't win, which is why he's here with us tonight.

   4. SGScott Galloway2:17

      (laughing)

   5. KSKara Swisher2:18

      Um, we didn't even think of inviting Cuomo, don't worry.

   6. SGScott Galloway2:21

      (laughing)

   7. KSKara Swisher2:22

      Um, we are not Cuomosexuals, let's just be clear about that.

   8. SGScott Galloway2:25

      (laughing)

   9. KSKara Swisher2:25

      Um, I know this is crazy, but one of the things, uh, besides you loving New York, which is so clear, and the fact that you didn't withdraw was, I thought, took a lot. I bet you had a lot of pressure to withdraw, correct?

   10. SGScott Galloway2:38

       (clapping)

   11. CSCurtis Sliwa2:38

       Well, first they started with the moolah-shmoolah and the skadoodle, the billionaires, you know?

   12. KSKara Swisher2:44

       Yeah.

   13. CSCurtis Sliwa2:45

       The masters of the universe-

   14. KSKara Swisher2:46

       How much?

   15. CSCurtis Sliwa2:46

       ... they think they control. Well, it started at $3 million.

   16. KSKara Swisher2:50

       Oh, okay.

   17. CSCurtis Sliwa2:50

       Then five, then seven, then eight, then finally, $10 million. Cash.

   18. KSKara Swisher2:56

       Cash?

   19. SGScott Galloway2:56

       They legitimately offered you $10 million to go down-

   20. CSCurtis Sliwa2:58

       Oh, no, these are legitimate billionaires, the masters of the universe.

   21. KSKara Swisher3:02

       Yeah.

   22. CSCurtis Sliwa3:02

       And actually, I told them, "No, no." I said, "You know, this is unethical, this is bribery. This could well be criminal." My wife, Nancy, who is the animal rescuer, but also an attorney, said, "Curtis, you can't be taking these calls. You gotta put 'em on blast." Which I did. I said, "Any more attempts to bribe me out of the race, I'll be wired up like a Christmas tree and the DA Alvin Bragg will be listening to your conversations."

   23. KSKara Swisher3:31

       Right.

   24. CSCurtis Sliwa3:31

       That ended all the conversation.

   25. SGScott Galloway3:33

       (laughing)

   26. KSKara Swisher3:33

       Excellent, right.

   27. CSCurtis Sliwa3:33

       But-

   28. KSKara Swisher3:34

       But wait. But there's more.

   29. CSCurtis Sliwa3:37

       There's more. You see, they take that as an insult. You know, money rules the world, they think.

   30. KSKara Swisher3:44

       Right. You know what I always say, Curtis?
3. 25:50 – 34:47

   Government Shutdown Ending

   1. NANarrator25:50

   2. KSKara Swisher25:50

      Uh, let's talk about the shutdown, which looks like it's close to ending. Eight senators in the Democratic Caucus, none of whom, uh, face re-election, voted with the GOP to advance the plan that funds the government through January only. Snap ben- I know, w- all right? We're gonna discuss it. Snap benefits would also be restored, although the Trump administration is still fighting the battle through SCOTUS and the lower court. In exchange, there's a promise of a Senate vote in December on extending expiring Obamacare subsidies. Uh, Mike Johnson just said, didn't promise any vote whatsoever, so that's, uh, uh, an issue. The House and the Senate still need to pass the final bill. Scott, as you put it on Threads, "We're winning. We're winning. We surrender." Is there a silver lining here?

   3. SGScott Galloway26:34

      Well, sometimes it's darkest before it's pitch black. This is fucking pitch black.

   4. NANarrator26:40

      (laughs)

   5. SGScott Galloway26:41

      This is such a... Just as I began hallucinating that Senator Schumer had these two spherical objects between his legs-

   6. NANarrator26:53

      (laughs)

   7. SGScott Galloway26:54

      ... I am brought back to reality that we are, as Democrats, not worthy of, of representing people who make sacrifices. Uh, surrender, th- this is a se- let me just distill how I see it, and I'm curious what you think. We put a lot of people through a lot, thinking that sacrifice might pay off, like any battle, that we, there's no moral clarity, but we might have to make huge sacrifices such that we can ultimately have a better nation, and we folded. And I think the world is driven on incentives, and what are the incentives now of the Republicans? And that is they're General Zod in the first Superman movie in that they've noticed, or Zod has noticed that Superman's weakness, or the Democrats' weakness, is that they actually care, and that the more mendacious they get, the faster we'll fold. So what happens in the next confrontation? So essentially, what happened here is we put the American people through 40 days of real trauma for dick. Literally nothing.

   8. KSKara Swisher28:03

      Right, right, right.

   9. SGScott Galloway28:04

      Literally nothing. And this is just so... I find it incredibly upsetting. Even the machinations around getting the people who are not politically vulnerable to vote yes, because they knew the American people were gonna be very upset by this. So w- we have done nothing but put the American people through 40-

   10. KSKara Swisher28:24

       Yeah, there, there are some... Uh, you know, w- we were talking about it last night in Boston, that they s- they, they snatched, uh, defeat from the jaws of victory after that amazing week electorally, vote where voters were pro-De- Democrats and anti-Trump and anti-Republicans. But there are a couple of people, uh, who I respect, Tim Miller and others, who are positing that this is actually a trap, it's a strategic trap by Democrats. Now, let me, let me walk it out.

   11. SGScott Galloway28:50

       Go ahead.

   12. KSKara Swisher28:50

       Let me... Okay. The idea is two things. One is that when Congress returns, uh, the representative from Arizona, who's a Democrat, will get seated, and they'll release the Epstein files, and apparently, they're pretty bad, from what I understand. I mean, the pictures alone.

   13. NANarrator29:04

       (laughs)

   14. KSKara Swisher29:04

       So that's one thing. They get, they get the Epstein files released. That's an impor- I'm just saying, I'm just telling you. The second thing is the Republicans were never going to extend the, the benefits anyway, and these are not what I think, but this is what they've articulated. And so this puts, once the Republicans refuse to pass it, it hangs around their neck for good, and they own it completely. Now, on the other hand, you could say, um, we, uh, we, we said, "American people, we're here for one and, uh, one important issue only, healthcare. We're here to protect your healthcare and keep the costs low." Oh, we're kidding, right? That's what I think most people feel at this point. But there are other ideas that this is a strategic brilliance of hanging it around their necks going forward. I don't agree with that. I think this group of senators who d- don't have anything to risk, uh, just decided to just n- take a dive, and the others who may have been for this got protected so they could vote no, including Chuck Schumer, who I think orchestrated the entire thing, from what I can tell.

   15. SGScott Galloway30:09

       Yeah, look, the American people, the real politic of it is the American people prefer strong and wrong versus weak and right.

   16. KSKara Swisher30:15

       Which is Bill Clinton's phrase.

   17. SGScott Galloway30:17

       Exactly, and I see this no different as if we were to say, "Well, the Russians will actually bomb and shell maternity wards, so we need to surrender." I don't see how it's any different.This is war, and the notion that somehow, oh, but wait, the free gift with purchase is we're gonna get the Epstein files, we told the American public, and this is one of the things I don't like about the Democratic Party, I think releasing the Epstein files is important. I think it's going to happen. But at the end of the day, the Democrats opt for social virtue versus actually impacting the material and mental wellbeing of average Americans. And the basis-

   18. NANarrator30:53

       (claps)

   19. SGScott Galloway30:55

       ... the basis of wellbeing right now in our country, happiness, and this isn't gonna surprise anyone, I struggle with anger and depression, so I decided to write a book on happiness. And happiness isn't, uh, solely a function of what you have. It's absence of fear of, of, uh, things being taken from you. And in Norway or Sweden or any of the G7 countries, six of the G7 countries that have socialized medicine, which we absolutely need in this country-

   20. NANarrator31:22

       (claps)

   21. SGScott Galloway31:22

       ... when your wife is diagnosed with lung cancer, it doesn't mean you're going bankrupt. 40% of American households have medical or dental debt. Can you imagine as a mother and a father, you got a 17-year-old at home and screaming tooth pain, and you think, "I gotta borrow money to get a root canal for my kid?" Almost half of American households struggle with medical debt, and we told them we're gonna put a lot of people through a lot of pain such that we can prevent your insurance premiums from doubling, and then we fucking caved. Stop the gymnastics. This was a huge failure on our part. AOC, I will give you $100,000 in the next 48 hours if you announce your primarying Schumer. Enough already.

   22. NANarrator32:06

       (cheers)

   23. SGScott Galloway32:07

       (claps)

   24. KSKara Swisher32:09

       Okay. All right. We're gonna hold you to that. So what goes next? What happens next? They're gonna pass this. They're going to wait, push it off again and not govern until January. It's, of course, all about the midterms, all the strategery around the midterms, presumably is what's happening here. And who's gonna, who's gonna wear this mantle? Because at this point i- most people were blaming, including Independents, Trump for all of this, Trump, the Trump administration, the Republicans. Same thing with affordability, same thing with the economy. Like some of these new polls coming out are devastating to Republicans. So as, as Curtis might say, why not give them a wooden, uh, uh, I mean, a wooden shampoo?

   25. NANarrator32:52

       (laughs)

   26. SGScott Galloway32:53

       Yeah, but-

   27. KSKara Swisher32:53

       I love that phrase. I'm gonna use it all-

   28. SGScott Galloway32:55

       What is it? Is that-

   29. KSKara Swisher32:55

       ... the time. (laughs)

   30. NANarrator32:56

       (laughs)
4. 34:47 – 39:10

   Trump Grants More Pardons

   1. KSKara Swisher34:47

      note...

   2. NANarrator34:48

      (claps)

   3. KSKara Swisher34:48

      Um, uh, speaking of fuck-ups, in other Trump administration updates, President Trump has granted pardons to an array of people accused of trying to overturn, uh, the 2020 election, including former lawyer and former Mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani. Uh, who's next? Ghislaine Maxwell? Um, this is just... By the way, most of his judgments are in state courts, so don't worry, Rudy will be paying for the rest of his life. But they gi- they're pre- they're pre-giving people all these... Because they're expecting to lose, and they're expecting more problems, um, like Sidney Powell, all the others. Um, I, as I told you, several Trump administration people who were rather pleasant at lunch, let me say, uh, although I understand they're terrible snakes, as Curtis said, um, were like, "I'm asking for a por- pardon to me." And I was like, "Why?" And they're like, "Just in case." They're like, even if they've done nothing, they feel that they're gonna be... This was an astonishing num- this is 70 pardons.

   4. SGScott Galloway35:44

      I remember once we had... When I first moved to New York, we had an instance where there was... Someone threatened workplace violence. And so I called a lawyer, and I said, "You need to bring the cops in." And he said, "Okay." And I'd had almost no interaction with, uh, the Manhatta- Manhattan DA's office or the police force. And they said something really serious. They said, "You need to be thoughtful about this. And we'll come if you call us, that's our job. But once you get the law involved, it is a crude, blunt instrument that lacks nuance." And that always stuck with me, because when you think about the law, there are a lot of people who get off scot-free and shouldn't. And I'm bothered by the idea of these pardons of these people who are criminal. I think it's corrupt. I think it sends the wrong signal.What I'm more worried about is that there are somewhere between 10 and 30,000 people who have files under clemency review, where somebody from the Freedom Project or another worthwhile organization has said that because of the crudeness of the law, you have people behind bars who quite frankly stole, uh, a car antenna, and because it was their third strike, they're serving... they've served 30 years of a life sentence. And there are a bevy of really talented, wonderful legal professionals working on these clemency cases. And now, all of those have been shoved aside 'cause all of our resources are trying to figure out how to let out basically this orgy of corruption of people who are favorable to the administration. So yeah, these criminals getting out, that bothers me. What bothers me more is it's distracting attention and resources from the tens of thousands of people-

   5. KSKara Swisher37:21

      W- who he's not letting out.

   6. SGScott Galloway37:22

      ... who are worthy of the real thoughtful examination-

   7. KSKara Swisher37:25

      Right.

   8. SGScott Galloway37:25

      ... around clemency. This has made a mockery of a really wonderful component of our justice system, where we recognize the judicial system is a crude, blunt tool-

   9. KSKara Swisher37:33

      And we made a mistake.

   10. SGScott Galloway37:34

       ... and occasionally we get it wrong.

   11. KSKara Swisher37:35

       No, it's a, it's a paper plate kind of thing, obviously, and they're letting out some pretty heinous people. Um, and if they let out Ghislaine Maxwell, I don't... uh, me and Curtis are going down to Texas and handling it.

   12. NANarrator37:45

       (laughs)

   13. SGScott Galloway37:46

       (laughs)

   14. KSKara Swisher37:46

       That's all I have to say. Uh, she's a monster. She's a monster. Anyway, uh, we need to take another break, everyone. When we come back, we'll talk about women ruining the workplace. (gentle music)

   15. SGScott Galloway37:57

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   16. KSKara Swisher39:00

       Scott, we're back in Brooklyn.

   17. NANarrator39:02

       (cheers)

   18. KSKara Swisher39:09

       Uh, The

5. 39:10 – 46:13

   NYT Gets Heat for Women in the Workplace Piece

   1. KSKara Swisher39:10

      New York Times is getting heat for a piece ti- uh, uh, Ross, uh, Douthat, opinion piece, uh, conversation, "Did women ruin the workplace?" My wife calls him Ross Asshat, but that's no- neither here nor there.

   2. NANarrator39:22

      (laughs)

   3. KSKara Swisher39:22

      The title has been changing... has changed, has changed I think three times. Um, it's now, "Did liberal feminism ruin the workplace?" But not before a lot of meming. They keep changing the headline, which is hysterical, including one person on threads that joked that the Times had changed the headline again to, "Did liberal feminism ruin slapping a broad on the caboose?" (laughs)

   4. NANarrator39:44

      (laughs)

   5. KSKara Swisher39:44

      That made me laugh. Um, I love the word caboose. Can I slap you on the caboose?

   6. SGScott Galloway39:49

      As if you don't already-

   7. KSKara Swisher39:50

      I do.

   8. SGScott Galloway39:51

      ... you little saucy minx.

   9. KSKara Swisher39:52

      Okay.

   10. NANarrator39:53

       (laughs)

   11. KSKara Swisher39:53

       Um, Scott, I thought... I, I listened to the entire thing, and the two people he interview... He did a terrible job, FYI, as an interviewer. It was insecure and unfunny interview. But... and badly done, in general. But as a professional, um, but the people he interviewed were like... They, they just cannot stop talking about woke. They are unqualified to talk about it. They were as reductive as it gets. They were a mile wide and a foot deep. It was terrible. The whole thing was terrible as a piece of content. That said, it attracted a lot of attention. But Scott, did I ruin the workplace?

   12. NANarrator40:26

       (laughs)

   13. KSKara Swisher40:27

       What did you think about this? I don't think you're paying any attention to it, but I don't know.

   14. SGScott Galloway40:30

       I have a... My... The companies I've started have been in San Francisco and New York. Um, 27 of the 35 people who've become... I did the analysis, who have become millionaires from my companies were either LGBTQ or women. I started... And I realize I'm virtue signaling, but it wasn't intentional. It wasn't like I thought I needed to advance people of a certain group. It just... An unlock in the early '90s when I started my first company was giving some very talented people who had exited the corporate workforce some flexibility, which drew in a disproportionate number of women. So, I don't... You know, I, I don't... I, I feel like the marketplace is actually working here. Uh, 47% of our full-time workers are female. Uh, C-level executives have gone from 18% to 27% female in the last 10 years, meaning in about two decades, 110% are gonna be female. I mean, it's on the right trajectory.

   15. NANarrator41:27

       (claps) Yeah.

   16. SGScott Galloway41:27

       But I wanna be clear, I don't... I, I don't think it's... I'm not sure it's ever gonna be 50/50. And I think e- equality of opportunity does not always equal equality of outcomes. But I've said this, and I realize I'm pandering a little bit, but I believe this. Uh, I think the best thing... I think a lot about struggling young men and the lack of economic opportunity, and how it creates a disproportionate impact on their self-esteem. And also, it creates a lot of stress in the home, because I still do think our society puts a disproportionate amount of pressure on men to be economically viable. And I think the best thing we could do for young men right now, uh, would be universal childcare. Because if you think about... I've unfortunately gone down this rabbit hole. If you walk into a morgue, five of the people who died by suicide, four are men. And the zone, quote-unquote, of self-harm among men is most prevalent the year after they get divorced. And young people get divorced... Uh, by the way, 70% of divorce filings are by women. And young people get divorced not because of infidelity or lack of shared values, but because of economic strain. And if you wanna live in a place like New York, or if you're really aggressive and you wanna be in a high-cost city, the reality is, you probably need to have a dual-income home.... and not having, um, childcare, affordable childcare, just puts tremendous stress on the marriage, which disproportionally, in my view, impacts actually or as much men. Because what the research shows is despite the cartoon of a woman in her 30s who didn't find romantic love and is crying and listening to Melissa Etheridge looking out the window-

   17. KSKara Swisher43:06

       Oh my God.

   18. SGScott Galloway43:07

       ... with cats.

   19. KSKara Swisher43:08

       It's Taylor Swift now, but go ahead.

   20. SGScott Galloway43:11

       That, that is a cartoon. There's really wonderful research that is pretty conclusive, and it's the following. Men need relationships more than women, so if you want to invest and lift up men, young men who are struggling, quite frankly, you want to remove economic anxiety from families such that they stay together. And probably the easiest way to do that, which would create scale and affordability, would be to become the last or finally join the other G6 or the G7 and have universal childcare. So I think we need to frame it not as a woke thing, not as a female thing, but as something that would really help

   21. KSKara Swisher43:46

       Or a binary thing.

   22. SGScott Galloway43:48

       ... us out young men.

   23. KSKara Swisher43:48

       Because it's always this binary thing, uh, and I think that creates natural fighting, right? That the world in this struggle. Now absolutely throughout my career, let me just say, uh, uh, uh, you know, I tell you things and you're like, "I didn't know that," sometimes. Definitely as a woman, you face all kinds of fucking nonsense every-

   24. SGScott Galloway44:04

       I'm sure.

   25. KSKara Swisher44:05

       ... day, day of the week. When I came back from my pregnancy, I was sort of the top tech reporter at the Wall Street Journal, and I'm not gonna name this editor but, because he's retired and probably dead, pos- possibly dead. Um-

   26. SGScott Galloway44:17

       No.

   27. KSKara Swisher44:17

       (laughs) And I think, I think dead actually. Um, and, and he said, "So you're gonna need more time." He said that to me, like, "You're gonna need more time now." And I said, "For what?" And he... Silence. And I was like, "What do I need more time for? What's changed?" And he's silent. And I said, "You have three children, and you didn't need more time, did you? Why would I need more time? What's their fucking business of what time I need?" And he sort of stared at me and couldn't deal with it, and I said, "If you say this to another woman again, I will sue your fucking life back to yesterday." Like, you know what I mean? (applause) Like, so it was a really interesting moment. So we dealt with all kinds of nonsense. But to set it up as this woman-man thing, to me, is, like, wildly offensive, like wildly in- And, and not just wildly offensive, 'cause I'm not, like, one of these people who gets particularly offended. What it is is it's just stupid. It's just, it doesn't make-

   28. SGScott Galloway45:07

       You know-

   29. KSKara Swisher45:07

       ... a better workplace.

   30. SGScott Galloway45:08

       But that applies to the other side of the argument, and that is-
6. 46:13 – 49:01

   SCOTUS Rejects Challenge to Same-Sex Marriage Decision

   1. KSKara Swisher46:13

      The Supreme Court just turned down an request to consider overturning its landmark decision to legalize same-sex marriage. (applause) The court declined the petition filed by Kim Davis, the former Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue same-sex, too bad Kim, uh, same-sex licenses because of her religious beliefs. She has to now pay the gay couple $365,000 for her thing. (applause) Yeah.

   2. SGScott Galloway46:37

      Whoo.

   3. KSKara Swisher46:37

      Um, the good news, and by the way, can I just say in the coverage of the media, it's not gay marriage. It's marriage. So, like, let's just, it's the law of the land. (applause) Yeah. The good news now is we don't need to get married now, Scott. I thought we might have to. So let's look at a pic. This isn't my opportunity. Let's look at a pic of my lovely wife, uh, in the before. That's our- (applause) Yeah.

   4. SGScott Galloway46:57

      Whoo.

   5. KSKara Swisher46:57

      That's our second date. I know. She's really good-looking. Um-

   6. SGScott Galloway47:01

      So wait, hold on.

   7. KSKara Swisher47:02

      Wait.

   8. SGScott Galloway47:03

      So my understanding is lesbians get divorced at a much greater rate, so did you bring a U-Haul to your second date?

   9. KSKara Swisher47:11

      (laughs) (laughing) We looked good. No we didn't.

   10. SGScott Galloway47:13

       So straight co-

   11. KSKara Swisher47:14

       Oh, don't do the U-Haul joke.

   12. SGScott Galloway47:14

       Straight couples get married for kids. Gay couples for aesthetics.

   13. KSKara Swisher47:18

       (laughs)

   14. SGScott Galloway47:18

       Lesbian couples get married for that mid-century modern couch they found on Pinterest.

   15. KSKara Swisher47:25

       (laughs)

   16. SGScott Galloway47:25

       And when they-

   17. KSKara Swisher47:26

       All right.

   18. SGScott Galloway47:26

       ... when they get divorced, who gets the couch? Who gets the Subaru? It's who has the loyalty card name at REI?

   19. KSKara Swisher47:34

       We get along very well compared to straight people. My ex-wife is amazing. Her name's Megan Smith. She's terrific. Um, how it ended with this second date, go. Aww. (applause) That's our four beautiful children, and also with Megan. Um, that's Louie, Alex, who's nine feet tall. Uh, lesbians have very tall children. (laughs)

   20. SGScott Galloway47:57

       Can I tell my really nice marriage story?

   21. KSKara Swisher47:59

       Yeah, okay, go ahead.

   22. SGScott Galloway48:00

       So I was living in San Francisco, lovely woman, my wife, and I came to New York. I'd never been here before. And people were drinking till 4:00 AM and trying to figure out a way to party and make more money, and I went back and said, "I want a divorce. You can have all of our friends."

   23. KSKara Swisher48:13

       (laughs)

   24. SGScott Galloway48:14

       True story.

   25. KSKara Swisher48:16

       (laughs) Does she still talk to you?

   26. SGScott Galloway48:18

       We're good friends. She was like... (smacks lips)

   27. KSKara Swisher48:20

       (laughs) Anyway, we can't get married now. I know you're disappointed.

   28. SGScott Galloway48:25

       What's that?

   29. KSKara Swisher48:26

       Are you disappointed we can't get married, 'cause I would've had to-

   30. SGScott Galloway48:27

       We can get married.
7. 49:01 – 55:25

   Scott’s Male Role Models

   1. KSKara Swisher49:01

      Can I ask you a last question? We're gonna take questions from the audience now. But, um, who is your... Scott has a book called Notes on Being a Man. It's number one on Amazon.

   2. NANarrator49:09

      (claps)

   3. KSKara Swisher49:09

      We're hoping it's the number one book, um, we gave away some at the beginning. Who, besides me, who is your male role model?

   4. NANarrator49:18

      (laughs)

   5. KSKara Swisher49:20

      Obviously me.

   6. SGScott Galloway49:22

      I get asked that a lot and I don't have a good answer. Um, I think there's one re- w- you know, the, the dude that gets up, works hard, absorbs more complaints than he gives, tries to create surplus value, notices people, good, good citizen, good patriot. There's good... There's fantastic role models, um-

   7. KSKara Swisher49:41

      How about in your life?

   8. SGScott Galloway49:43

      In my life? You know, I've had... I had a lot of nice men, uh, when my... when I was clear I became or when people noticed it was just me and my mom. I had a ni- a lot of nice men get in my- involved in my life. Uh, I had a guy across the hall come across and say, "Hey, me and my girlfriend are going horseback riding. Do you wanna come with us?" And he took me horseback riding. I had a coach get involved in my life. I had a scout troop leader, I was a Boy Scout. I wasn't very cool as a young person. I know that's hard to imagine.

   9. NANarrator50:15

      (laughs)

   10. SGScott Galloway50:16

       Um, buy me my baseball, um, equipment because he, he could just pick up that we didn't have a lot of money. I had a lot of wonderful... So not celebrities, but I had a lot of really wonderful men in my life. And this is sort of a, a call out and an ask. The single point of failure for when a boy comes off the tracks is when he loses a male role model. There's a lot of research and that is we have more single parent homes than any country in the world. And it's always the mom or 82%, 82% to 88% of the time. And what's interesting is girls in single parent homes have the same outcomes, same rates of college attendance, same rate, same income. Whereas boys, the moment he loses a r- male role model through death, divorce or abandonment, at that moment becomes more likely to be incarcerated than graduate from college. And so getting men involved in a young boy's life is absolutely critical. And unfortunately, men my age and men in general aren't stepping up. And as someone who mentors young men, what I can tell you is that it is so easy to add value to a young man's life. They make such terrible decisions and just...

   11. NANarrator51:22

       (laughs)

   12. SGScott Galloway51:22

       I literally had to, had to convince a kid 48 hours ago that he cannot survive on pineapple juice and creatine.

   13. NANarrator51:28

       (laughs)

   14. SGScott Galloway51:30

       And, and you just start asking a series of questions and just hanging out and just if they see that a good man trying to live a virtuous life, uh, sees value in him, it's a huge difference. And, and some, they're just good men everywhere. We just need to step up if we want better men.

   15. KSKara Swisher51:48

       Right.

   16. SGScott Galloway51:48

       Uh, we need to be better men.

   17. KSKara Swisher51:50

       That's true.

   18. SGScott Galloway51:50

       Apply to be a big brother.

   19. NANarrator51:51

       (claps)

   20. KSKara Swisher51:51

       Yeah. I would agree. So just me. I'm your, I'm your big thing. I'll give you my list.

   21. SGScott Galloway51:57

       Who's your list?

   22. KSKara Swisher51:58

       Louis Swisher.

   23. SGScott Galloway52:00

       Your son.

   24. KSKara Swisher52:00

       Alex Swisher.

   25. SGScott Galloway52:01

       Your other son.

   26. KSKara Swisher52:02

       Saul Swisher, though he's on the bubble today.

   27. NANarrator52:04

       (laughs)

   28. KSKara Swisher52:05

       Um, no. Saul Swisher, he's just four. He's turning four on Sunday.

   29. SGScott Galloway52:07

       Yeah.

   30. KSKara Swisher52:07

       Happy birthday, Saul. Um, my brothers. My two brothers.
8. 55:25 – 1:11:00

   Q&A

   1. SGScott Galloway55:25

   2. KSKara Swisher55:25

      Scott, we're back, recording live from New York City in the lovely King's Theater in Brooklyn. This is an amazing audience. We're gonna get to audience questions and we're excited to answer them. You're gonna come down to the left or the right of the aisles. Um, please be considerate and keep them very short 'cause we wanna get to as we, we try to answer all the questions. You can ask anything you want, but sh- be short is what I'll ask you, so I will cut you off. So let's start. Let's go. Let's see some questions. Is som- someone up? Let me see.

   3. NANarrator55:54

      Hey, Scott and Kara.

   4. KSKara Swisher55:55

      Okay.

   5. NANarrator55:55

      I'm so grateful to be here. Julia from Philadelphia.

   6. KSKara Swisher55:58

      Hi.

   7. SGScott Galloway55:58

      Hi, Julia.

   8. NANarrator55:59

      Love seems to be in the air.

   9. KSKara Swisher56:01

      Yeah. (cheering)

   10. NANarrator56:01

       Um, I left you a voicemail asking for some marriage advice for my friend, Meg, here. Big fan. (cheering)

   11. KSKara Swisher56:07

       Okay.

   12. NANarrator56:07

       Who just got engaged.

   13. KSKara Swisher56:09

       Oh, wow. To who?

   14. NANarrator56:10

       To Dane, also a Pivot listener, and a fellow tech, uh, worker, SAS, works on websites, a salesperson. And they met at work.

   15. KSKara Swisher56:18

       Oh.

   16. NANarrator56:18

       Which seems to be-

   17. KSKara Swisher56:20

       Yeah, lo- most people do.

   18. NANarrator56:21

       ... one of the places to meet.

   19. SGScott Galloway56:21

       One in three relationships begin at work, and 99.9% are consensual.

   20. KSKara Swisher56:25

       Yeah. Yeah. So marriage advice, I don't know, Scott. I mean, both of us have been divorced, so I don't suspect we're the best experts. I, I feel like I (laughs) don't act like me sometimes, I guess. Um, I would say probably kindness and, uh, it's called active listening, I think. Like, not, like, listening.

   21. SGScott Galloway56:46

       Oh, God.

   22. KSKara Swisher56:46

       I know, but it's, it's, it's correct. I know-

   23. SGScott Galloway56:48

       This is why lesbians have a higher rate of divorce 'cause they're both listening.

   24. KSKara Swisher56:51

       No, no. No, I, I-

   25. SGScott Galloway56:52

       They're both listening.

   26. KSKara Swisher56:54

       No, no, what I mean is that-

   27. SGScott Galloway56:55

       Trust me, dudes. Just don't listen. They'll just...

   28. KSKara Swisher56:58

       Okay. I don't have-

   29. SGScott Galloway56:59

       What?

   30. KSKara Swisher56:59

       ... any advice except really give-

Episode duration: 1:11:00