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Kara and Scott unpack Trump’s tariff defeat at the hands of the Supreme Court, how he’s scrambling for workarounds, and whether billions in refunds will ever get paid out. Then, Trump pressures Netflix to fire board member Susan Rice or “pay the consequences." Plus, Democrats weigh their strategies for the State of the Union, investors bet on "HALO" stocks, and Scott explores what’s next for his Resist and Unsubscribe campaign. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #stateoftheunion #scotus #tariffs #netflix #halostocks #resistandunsubscribe 00:00 Intro 1:53 Drug Lord Killed in Mexico 6:12 Resist and Unsubscribe 11:28 Trump’s Tariff Defeat 24:25 State of the Union Preview 29:31 Trump Threatens Netflix 41:27 “HALO” Companies 49:55 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Rich Shibley Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Visit https://www.resistandunsubscribe.com/ Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Feb 23, 20261h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Pivot debates tariffs, tech boycotts, media deal politics, AI investing shifts

  1. The episode opens with Mexico’s cartel violence flare-up and the structural forces behind it, including fragmented cartels, diversified criminal revenue, and U.S. roles in gun flows and drug demand.
  2. They then assess the Supreme Court striking down most Trump tariffs, Trump’s workaround via a 1974 trade law, and how policy inconsistency harms businesses more than tariff levels themselves—plus the looming refund mess.
  3. The hosts update the “Resist and Unsubscribe” movement, featuring recommendations for privacy- and user-controlled alternatives to Big Tech and debating how to focus and sustain momentum beyond February.
  4. Finally, they cover Trump’s pressure campaign against Netflix board member Susan Rice amid Hollywood M&A drama, discuss “HALO” (AI-immune) stocks versus battered SaaS valuations, and close with wins/fails centered on women’s Olympic performance and political sexism—ending with Scott urging Democrats to retaliate more aggressively in corporate governance fights.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Mexico’s violence is increasingly about power vacuums and diversified rackets, not only drugs.

They frame cartel conflict as fragmentation after larger cartel breakups, with revenue streams like fuel theft, extortion, and human smuggling—making it a governance and economic-control problem that spills into tourism and local markets.

U.S. policy choices meaningfully contribute to Mexico’s cartel capacity.

Scott highlights firearms flowing south and U.S. drug demand (especially fentanyl) reshaping incentives—synthetics lowering shipping needs while increasing profits and enforcement muscle requirements.

Consumer “unsubscribe” activism can create real signal, but incentives require boardroom pressure.

Scott argues the campaign succeeded in public awareness and measurable attention, yet hasn’t reliably reached board-level decision-making; the next step is focus, consolidation, and professional organizing capacity.

Tariff unpredictability is as damaging as tariffs themselves.

Even with a court check, Trump’s pivot to temporary tariffs extends uncertainty, making planning difficult for small businesses and prompting supply chains to reconfigure away from the U.S.

Tariff refunds are likely but administratively messy—and uncertainty keeps money discounted.

Scott notes tariff-claim markets pricing in delays (claims trading well below par) and rejects the idea refunds are inherently hard if collections were digital, implying bureaucratic friction is the real risk.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“More than the tariffs themselves, the most damaging thing to American trade policy is inconsistency.”

Scott Galloway

“Capitalism is supposed to be regulated competition… you shift from rules-based capitalism to personality-driven capitalism.”

Scott Galloway

“He’s a victim, thinks he’s a victim.”

Kara Swisher

“There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that a large corporation is giving up Adobe or Salesforce and putting in new prompts into AI.”

Scott Galloway

“Democrats do not… lack all creativity around how we’re gonna strike back.”

Scott Galloway

Mexico cartel violence and governance fragilityResist and Unsubscribe movement strategy; Quit GPT consolidationPrivacy-focused alternatives: Proton, Signal, Home AssistantSupreme Court tariff ruling; executive power vs CongressEconomic costs of trade-policy inconsistency; tariff refundsTrump threats toward Netflix/Susan Rice; politicized corporate governanceHALO stocks vs undervalued SaaS; AI disruption fears

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