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Kara and Scott unpack Trump’s tariff defeat at the hands of the Supreme Court, how he’s scrambling for workarounds, and whether billions in refunds will ever get paid out. Then, Trump pressures Netflix to fire board member Susan Rice or “pay the consequences." Plus, Democrats weigh their strategies for the State of the Union, investors bet on "HALO" stocks, and Scott explores what’s next for his Resist and Unsubscribe campaign. #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #stateoftheunion #scotus #tariffs #netflix #halostocks #resistandunsubscribe 00:00 Intro 1:53 Drug Lord Killed in Mexico 6:12 Resist and Unsubscribe 11:28 Trump’s Tariff Defeat 24:25 State of the Union Preview 29:31 Trump Threatens Netflix 41:27 “HALO” Companies 49:55 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Rich Shibley Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Visit https://www.resistandunsubscribe.com/ Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Kara SwisherhostScott Gallowayhost
Feb 24, 20261h 4mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Blizzard banter, awards night, and setting the tone

    Kara and Scott open with playful back-and-forth about New York’s blizzard and Kara heading to Brooklyn for a podcasting award. The chatter frames the show’s mix of news, business, and cultural commentary with their signature snark.

  2. Cartel leader killed in Mexico: governance, economic power, and U.S. complicity

    They react to the killing of a cartel leader and the violent retaliation disrupting tourist areas. Scott emphasizes the structural nature of cartel power—embedded in local economies and governance—and notes U.S. contributions via guns and drug demand.

  3. Resist and Unsubscribe update: alternatives to Big Tech (with David Pierce)

    The show checks in on the consumer-action campaign and brings in recommendations from The Verge’s David Pierce. The focus is practical substitutions for core Big Tech services, with privacy and control as key criteria.

  4. Where the movement goes next: momentum, consolidation, and organizational structure

    Scott assesses the campaign’s goals—signaling consumer power and changing executive incentives—arguing the first succeeded more than the second. He discusses pressure to consolidate with parallel efforts (e.g., “Quit GPT”) and the need for professional structure to sustain impact beyond February.

  5. Supreme Court rejects Trump’s broad tariffs: authority, refunds, and market uncertainty

    They unpack the Court’s 6–3 decision striking down most tariffs as an overreach under emergency powers. Discussion centers on Congress’ abdication, potential refund chaos, and the economic damage of policy inconsistency even more than tariff levels.

  6. Trade realism vs. “economics for dummies”: who benefits from global trade?

    Kara calls Trump’s framing simplistic, while Scott argues the U.S. has disproportionately benefited from global trade due to dollar strength and high-margin tech exports. They distinguish legitimate China-related grievances from broad-brush tariff strategies that hurt tourism and fail to revive manufacturing.

  7. State of the Union preview: high disapproval, Democratic tactics, and ‘chance of crazy’

    Ahead of Trump’s address, they predict a speech heavy on optimistic claims about manufacturing and the economy despite polling headwinds. They debate whether Democrats should attend, emphasizing decorum while anticipating spectacle and possible escalation.

  8. Trump threatens Netflix over Susan Rice: politicizing corporate governance

    They examine Trump’s call for Netflix to remove board member Susan Rice and connect it to broader attempts to weaponize regulation and political leverage. Scott argues this injects political risk into markets by turning boardrooms into partisan battlegrounds.

  9. The Warner-Paramount-Netflix mega-deal drama: overpaying, ego, and regulatory chess

    Scott argues Netflix may ultimately benefit even if it loses, since overpaying would limit strategic flexibility and protracted litigation keeps competitors in flux. Kara criticizes Paramount’s leadership decisions and predicts political and regulatory blowback, including from Democrats and Europe.

  10. ‘HALO’ stocks and the rotation away from AI: what investors think is disruption-proof

    They discuss Wall Street’s ‘Heavy Assets, Low Obsolescence’ (HALO) category as investors rotate into industrials, utilities, and staples amid AI anxiety. The conversation questions whether this defensive trade is already overcrowded and expensive.

  11. Scott’s contrarian bet: beaten-down SaaS as the real value pocket

    Scott argues the market has overreacted to fears that AI will instantly replace enterprise software like Salesforce, Adobe, and ServiceNow. He emphasizes switching costs, embedded workflows, and the likelihood AI becomes a margin lever rather than an extinction event.

  12. Wins & fails: women’s Olympic dominance, Eileen Gu’s mindset, and Trump’s locker-room joke

    Kara praises the Olympics—especially women athletes—and highlights Eileen Gu’s thoughtful answer about introspection and self-creation. She condemns Trump’s dismissive joke about inviting the women’s hockey team and reflects on the broader lesson of not enabling sexist behavior through laughter.

  13. Scott’s closing grievance: Democrats ‘playing dirty’ via corporate boards—and the escalation debate

    Scott argues Democrats need sharper, incentive-driven retaliation when Republicans politicize corporate boards, proposing targeted shareholder activism against prominent Republicans serving as directors. Kara resists mirroring Trump’s tactics, arguing Democrats can hit hard through other means without adopting autocratic behavior.

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