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Kara Swisher is joined by Jon Lovett, from Pod Save America and Lovett or Leave It. They discuss Trump wreaking havoc on the U.S. and the rest of the world with his Liberation Day tariffs. Then, Elon Musk's rumored exit from Washington, and his $25 million dollar failed attempt to swing the Wisconsin judicial race. Plus, Senator Cory Booker's marathon speech, Joe Rogan calls out Trump's immigration policies, and will there be a TikTok deal before the upcoming deadline? Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 5:10 Elon’s Exit? 10:38 Dems Win in Wisconsin 19:19 Booker’s Marathon Speech 25:15 Trump Tariff Chaos 35:56 Joe Rogan Criticizes Trump Deportations 46:12 TikTok Bids 52:50 Predictions #pivot #podcast #elonmusk #wisconsin #doge #corybooker #democrats #donaldtrump #tariffs #liberationday #joerogan #immigration #tiktok Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Audio: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Trump’s Tariffs, Musk’s Meltdown, and America’s Rising Authoritarian Chaos

  1. Kara Swisher and guest John Lovett dissect the Trump administration’s sweeping new tariffs, arguing they are economically incoherent, globally destabilizing, and primarily a power-grab tool to reward loyalty and punish dissent. They examine Elon Musk’s waning political usefulness to Trump amid Doge-driven government chaos, Tesla’s decline, and Musk’s toxic impact on GOP races like Wisconsin. The conversation also highlights the frightening reality of mass deportations to El Salvador’s mega-prisons, where due process collapses and mistaken deportations become effectively irreversible. Finally, they assess Cory Booker’s 25-hour speech as a rare example of visible Democratic fight, and debate the opaque, politicized process around forcing a sale of TikTok to U.S. buyers.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Elon Musk has become political poison for Republicans in swing contexts.

In Wisconsin, Musk’s $25 million spend and high-profile campaigning backfired; voters resented his ‘grand vizier’ behavior and Democrats successfully made him the villain, showing money and celebrity can’t overcome fundamentals or toxic favorability with independents.

Trump’s tariffs are economically reckless but politically potent tools of control.

The new ‘reciprocal’ tariffs are based on crude trade-deficit math, not actual foreign tariff levels, and analysts like Larry Summers estimate multi-trillion-dollar losses; more importantly, they let Trump unilaterally grant or withhold relief, forcing businesses, members of Congress, and foreign governments to lobby him directly.

Chaotic deportation policies are morally indefensible and politically vulnerable.

The administration is sending people—including a gay hairdresser and people with innocuous tattoos—into El Salvador’s mega-prison with no meaningful due process and no mechanism to correct mistakes, a level of cruelty and incompetence that even sympathetic figures like Joe Rogan are recoiling from.

There is strong demand for visible, high-energy opposition to Trumpism.

Cory Booker’s 25-hour floor speech, though largely symbolic, drew huge live viewership and sharing because many Americans want leaders who match the magnitude of the threat to democracy and social safety nets with visible sacrifice and tenacity.

Democrats underuse a simple, winning frame: enforcement plus due process.

Lovett argues Democrats too often avoid immigration debates, when they could instead clearly back immigration enforcement while insisting on basic due process and constitutional rights, a position that aligns with public instincts about fairness and ‘it could happen to you’ anxieties.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Trump’s building a wall and we’re all gonna pay for it.

John Lovett

This is not a deportation, this is a kidnapping. The government has kidnapped these people.

John Lovett

The most dangerous force in any society is an incompetent, cruel bureaucracy.

John Lovett

You can buy a presidency for $200 million but you cannot buy a state supreme court seat for a tenth of that.

Kara Swisher

Heat shields are not the worst thing in the world… Someone rampaging through the government so Trump doesn’t get the blame.

Kara Swisher

Musk’s role in the Trump administration, Doge, and political backlashWisconsin Supreme Court race, Elon’s $25M failure, and GOP vulnerabilitiesCory Booker’s 25-hour speech and Democratic messaging on Trump and entitlementsTrump’s new global tariffs, market turmoil, and the power to dispense reliefDeportations to El Salvador’s mega-prison, due process failures, and political riskTikTok divestment law, national security claims, and likely U.S. buyersBroader authoritarian drift: centralized presidential power, propaganda, and bureaucracy

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