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It's the Scott-Free August grand finale, and Kara is joined by guest co-host Governor Gavin Newsom. Kara and the governor discuss redistricting fights, Trump's move to oust Fed Governor Lisa Cook, and OpenAI's latest legal trouble. Also, Newsom is releasing… a memecoin? Plus, Kara asks the governor all the important questions: Will he accept a debate challenge from Ron DeSantis and Sean Hannity? What does he think of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement? Could he beat Scott in a bench pressing contest? #pivot #podcast #karaswisher #scottgalloway #gavinnewsom #donaldtrump #thefed #taylorswift #traviskelce #tayvis #rondesantis #seanhannity #openai #zohranmamdani Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 8:36 Newsom’s Trolling Tactics 21:01 Redistricting Arms Race 29:32 Trump’s Attempt to Fire Fed Gov 31:36 Trump’s Militarizing Cities Continues 42:45 OpenAI Sued 52:13 Predictions Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Kevin Oliver Audio Engineer: Ernie Indradat Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Gavin Newsom Explains His Relentless Trump Trolling And Power Strategy

  1. Kara Swisher and California Governor Gavin Newsom dissect his recent shift into aggressive, meme-driven trolling of Donald Trump and right‑wing media, framing it as a deliberate communications strategy, not a stunt. Newsom argues Democrats must abandon political “weakness,” fight fire with fire on messaging, and counter Republican power grabs like Texas-style redistricting. They also examine Trump’s moves against institutions like the Fed and his use of federal troops in cities, plus Democrats’ vulnerability on crime and public safety. Finally, they discuss tech’s alignment with Trump, AI harms and regulation, and Newsom’s broader effort to wake voters up to what he sees as an existential democratic crisis.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Newsom’s trolling is a deliberate mirror of Trump’s tactics, not just comedy.

He says the all‑caps posts, AI memes, and parody merch are meant to spotlight how normalized Trump’s own absurd self‑mythologizing has become, and to force right‑wing media to confront their double standard.

Democrats’ biggest liability is appearing ‘weak and right’ against ‘strong and wrong.’

Newsom cites Bill Clinton’s maxim and argues voters reward perceived strength; he believes Democrats have ceded narrative ground by shifting issues weekly instead of hammering simple messages ‘over and over and over’ like Trump.

Redistricting is now a hard‑ball power struggle Democrats can’t sit out.

He frames California’s temporary map changes and voter-approved special election as an emergency response to Trump-pressured gerrymanders in Texas and other states, insisting it’s naïve to think Republicans will restrain themselves if Democrats do.

Institutional guardrails like Fed independence and Posse Comitatus are under direct threat.

Newsom warns that Trump’s attempt to fire Fed Governor Lisa Cook and his federalization of the California National Guard in LA preview a broader effort to politicize monetary policy and normalize domestic troop deployments.

Democrats must own crime and quality‑of‑life issues with real action and plain language.

He admits statistics about declining crime don’t matter if people feel unsafe, and points to California’s added CHP officers, new anti–organized retail theft laws, and transparency efforts as the kind of concrete steps that need aggressive communication.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“Every accusation is a confession with you people. That was just another example of projection.”

Gavin Newsom

“Illusion rules. Facts don’t matter. That’s what Fox understands. That’s what Trump understands. He floods the zone, and we’re constantly on our heels.”

Gavin Newsom

“Given the choice, the American people will always support strong and wrong versus weak and right.”

Bill Clinton (quoted by Gavin Newsom)

“You’re a fool if you engage in a contest playing by the rules and the other side doesn’t play by any rules.”

Gavin Newsom

“This is not the rule of law, it’s the rule of Don.”

Gavin Newsom

Newsom’s meme-driven trolling strategy against Trump and right‑wing mediaDebate over Democrats’ messaging style, strength vs. weakness, and ‘fighting fire with fire’Redistricting battles and California’s counter to Texas and Trump’s efforts to ‘rig’ the HouseTrump’s attempts to control the Federal Reserve and deploy federal troops in U.S. citiesCrime, quality of life, and how Democrats should address public safety without ceding groundNewsom’s relationship with the tech sector and the politics of AI and platform regulationAI safety, children’s harms (including the ChatGPT suicide case), and state-level regulation

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