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Kara and Scott discuss more schools saying no to Trump’s college “compact,” the No Kings protests, and the AWS outage. Then, Trump’s promise to slash Ozempic prices sends GLP-1 stocks tumbling. Plus, AI czar David Sacks picks a fight with Anthropic over AI regulation — and Peter Thiel warns of the Antichrist. We're going on tour! Get tickets at ⁠pivottour.com. Timestamps; 00:00 Intro 6:06 No Kings Protests 12:50 Colleges Push Back 22:17 Anthropic vs. The White House 27:09 Peter Thiel Warns of Antichrist 32:50 GLP-1 Price Reduction? 51:31 F5 Security Hack 58:48 Wins and Fails Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Video Producer: Jim Mackil Additional Support from: Bradley Sylvester Rosemarie Ho Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial/ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or email pivot@voxmedia.com

Scott GallowayhostKara SwisherhostBernie Sandersguest
Oct 20, 20251h 16mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Tech tycoons, Antichrist fears, and AI power collide in politics

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway range across U.S. politics, AI power, higher education, cyber security, and GLP‑1 weight‑loss drugs, tying them back to tech and power. They frame the massive No Kings anti‑authoritarian protests as a hopeful show of democratic resistance and contrast that with Trump’s juvenile AI‑generated response and clemency for George Santos. They dissect the Trump administration’s attempts to strong‑arm universities via funding conditions and to shape AI policy through loyalists like David Sacks, while critiquing Peter Thiel’s increasingly theocratic rhetoric about the ‘Antichrist’ and hostility to AI safety regulation. The episode closes with concerns about China‑linked cyberattacks, the physical and social costs of AI data centers, and the transformative potential of cheap, widely available GLP‑1 drugs.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Mass, peaceful protest still matters as a signal of democratic health.

The No Kings marches, with millions participating across all 50 states, show Americans will mobilize against creeping authoritarianism; they energize organizing, signal to elites that voters are watching, and counter narratives that apathy has won.

Universities must coordinate and litigate together to resist political capture.

Scott argues MIT, Brown, Penn, USC, UVA, Dartmouth and peers should speak with one voice against Trump’s “Compact,” use the courts (First and Tenth Amendment arguments), mobilize alumni funding, and even leverage accreditation bodies so no school is isolated and picked off.

AI regulation is being shaped by insiders with financial stakes, not neutral referees.

The Anthropic–David Sacks clash illustrates how Trump’s AI czar is publicly menacing a single company for talking about safety—violating the norm that governments regulate sectors, not punish individual firms—which Kara and Scott see as textbook regulatory capture on behalf of favored tech players.

Peter Thiel’s religiously framed anti‑regulation stance shows a dangerous fusion of theology, tech, and state power.

His warnings that AI safety efforts might ‘summon the Antichrist’ recast opposition to unchecked tech dominance as apocalyptic evil, which Kara and Scott find alarming given his influence, his ties to top officials, and his increasingly theocratic worldview.

GLP‑1 drugs could be a bigger near‑term societal shift than AI—if made cheap and widespread.

Scott calls them “revolutionary,” arguing Medicare and the federal government should use bulk purchasing to drive prices near $50/month so obesity can be treated at scale, with huge benefits for health costs, mental health, labor participation, and inequality in a deeply looks‑biased culture.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

“The No Kings protest isn’t about hating America, but about loving it enough to defend it… We will stand together peacefully, not to divide the country, but to remind it who we are.”

Scott Galloway (quoting a viral line attributed online, then attributing it jokingly to Eric Cartman/South Park)

Every accusation is a confession.

Kara Swisher, referring to David Sacks accusing Anthropic of ‘regulatory capture’

Why should we be worried about the most powerful people in the world that have an unbelievable command of godlike technology, who basically own the vice president, who are becoming increasingly theocratic? No worries there.

Scott Galloway, on Thiel and other tech billionaires

If you’re obese in America, on many levels, you’re fucked.

Scott Galloway, on looks‑based bias and why GLP‑1 access matters

They don’t care about safety of anybody because they themselves are doing things and it’s really hurting individual communities… It’s the idea that if we want to talk about safety, it doesn’t mean we hate [technology]; it means that we care about the citizens more than lining the pockets of David Sacks and his friends.

Kara Swisher, on AI data centers, safety, and tech power

Atmosphere in Las Vegas, Kara’s Korea trip, and demographic collapse in wealthy democraciesNo Kings protests, democratic resistance, and Trump’s AI‑generated responseTrump administration’s “Compact for Academic Excellence” and universities’ coordinated pushbackAnthropic vs. David Sacks and the fight over AI regulation, safety, and capturePeter Thiel’s religious turn, Antichrist rhetoric, and tech billionaires’ political influenceGLP‑1 weight‑loss drugs (Ozempic/Wegovy): pricing, public health, and looks‑based inequalityCybersecurity vulnerabilities (F5 hack, AWS outage) and the long‑game threat from nation‑state hackersAI data centers’ power/water demands and how costs and harms are shifted to vulnerable communitiesGeorge Santos’ clemency and what it signals about corruption of the clemency process

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