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Live from Denver: crowd energy, local jokes, and setting the stage
Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway open the show live from the Buell Theatre in Denver, riffing on the crowd, local references, and their sponsors. Kara previews that they’ll bring on local guests and cover national political and tech stories afterward.
- •Kara and Scott react to Denver’s loud reception and trade jokes about local culture
- •Kara thanks the show’s sponsors and frames the live format
- •Kara introduces the plan to feature guests in different cities, leading into Denver’s mayor
Mayor Mike Johnston on Lauren Boebert’s election dispute and trust in elections
Kara asks Denver Mayor Mike Johnston about Lauren Boebert’s still-uncalled House race and her lawyers alleging unusual voting patterns. Johnston argues Colorado’s election process will play out and criticizes Boebert’s approach as damaging to trust and to the state’s brand.
- •Kara frames the question around election trust and who defends the system
- •Johnston says he expects the vote count to be clear and for Boebert to lose
- •They discuss Boebert moving districts and why voters rejected her
- •Johnston characterizes the broader election mood as “a vote of anger,” with trust still to be earned
Denver’s migrant surge: enforcement vs. support and what Democrats should learn
Kara turns to immigration, noting Johnston’s national profile during the migrant influx and political clashes with Washington. Johnston contrasts targeting violent criminals with what he describes as broader ICE actions, and he emphasizes community service and integration of migrants into work and housing.
- •Kara asks what Democrats should learn about immigration messaging and policy
- •Johnston says Americans want straight answers and accountability
- •He describes Denver residents both protesting and providing service when migrants arrived
- •He argues Denver partnered on public safety while supporting a path to citizenship for people working and “playing by the rules”
Data center backlash in Colorado: water, energy, and community consent
Scott raises the surprising number of ballot measures restricting data centers and asks why Colorado wouldn’t welcome them. Johnston points to drought and resource strain, describing a Denver moratorium and conditions he thinks should apply, while Kara criticizes secretive, NDA-driven deals that cut communities out.
- •Scott pitches Colorado as a prime location for data centers and questions the resistance
- •Johnston highlights drought concerns and high water usage as a key issue
- •Johnston outlines requirements: cheaper utility bills, renewable energy, and water self-containment
- •Kara argues process failures—NDAs and forced siting—drive public opposition
- •They agree communities expect a fair trade and meaningful local input
Reducing street homelessness: transitional housing, services, and the funding cliff
Kara cites major reported reductions in street homelessness and encampments and asks how Denver achieved it and how it continues without renewed federal funding. Johnston describes rapidly adding transitional units, closing encampments by moving residents into housing, and providing wraparound services—while warning the “last” group will be hardest and permanent housing supply is the bottleneck.
- •Kara asks about Denver’s approach and sustainability as federal funds run out
- •Johnston describes scaling transitional housing quickly and cutting red tape
- •He emphasizes closing encampments by rehousing people, not moving them block to block
- •Wraparound services include mental health, addiction support, workforce training, and pathways to housing
- •Johnston argues federal cuts most hurt the transition into permanent housing and calls for a large-scale housing build goal
Universal childcare: a sliding-scale model and workforce retention
Kara presses Johnston on universal childcare and suggests it’s a defining pro-family policy. Johnston shares stories of residents delaying or leaving work due to childcare costs, then outlines a Denver plan for birth-to-kindergarten childcare using a sliding-scale approach tied to income.
- •Kara champions universal childcare and asks for specifics
- •Johnston shares examples of people opting out of having kids or leaving teaching due to childcare costs
- •He proposes a birth-to-kindergarten program building on Denver’s existing preschool program for four-year-olds
- •The plan caps childcare burden as a share of income via a sliding scale rather than flat subsidies for everyone
- •He describes a timeline: design this year, pilot next year, and scale later
Mayors’ group chat: practical, cross-partisan problem-solving
Kara asks whether prominent mayors collaborate, and Johnston says they keep a group text chain. He describes the job as uniquely accountable and practical, fostering a results-driven, sometimes nonpartisan peer network—including Republican mayors.
- •Johnston says mayors regularly exchange ideas via a group chat
- •He contrasts mayoral accountability with other offices where blame can be shifted
- •Kara asks about Republicans in the group and who’s the most annoying texter
- •Johnston jokes about heavy texters but says the busiest often have the best ideas
Jensen Huang affair and alleged spy allegations: governance and national security risk
After the mayor segment, Kara and Scott pivot to a major controversy involving NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang and a woman U.S. intelligence believes was a Chinese spy. They argue the situation raises serious national security and corporate governance issues, criticize the board’s posture, and debate what the government and the company should have done.
- •Kara lays out the allegation, board response, and conflict with Huang’s China-related advocacy on AI chips
- •Scott argues this rises to national-security stakes and criticizes weak governance and board incentives
- •They discuss whether leadership should take a leave pending an independent investigation
- •Kara criticizes how Silicon Valley boards and investors rally around leadership despite accountability issues
- •Scott argues the U.S. should apply stricter security screening and protocols for companies handling highly sensitive technology
Elon Musk, Starlink, and Ukraine: who controls critical private infrastructure?
Kara introduces reporting that SpaceX restricted Starlink service in Ukraine, prompting a congressional probe and questions about public-interest controls. Scott argues the issue is undercovered and calls for clarity under oath about who made the decision and how private control intersects with war and national security.
- •Kara describes the probe and raises questions about government authority vs. private control
- •Scott says the public doesn’t grasp how much Ukraine has been abandoned and demands accountability
- •They discuss competing claims about who directed the Starlink restriction
- •Scott compares the scenario to defense contractors unilaterally shutting off critical systems
- •They agree congressional scrutiny is warranted and note potential bipartisan concern
Scientific brain drain: research cuts, talent flows, and the ROI of universities
Kara raises concerns about scientists leaving the U.S. after research funding cuts, citing examples of researchers relocating abroad. Scott argues the U.S. still attracts extraordinary global talent but worries that the pipeline of young would-be immigrants may shrink; both stress that research universities generate huge returns and underpin major innovations.
- •Kara describes prominent scientists leaving and says cuts are devastating, especially in sciences
- •Scott argues the U.S. historically drafts top global talent and demonizing them is self-defeating
- •They debate whether current defections are already large or still limited in some fields
- •Scott claims the highest post-1945 return on invested capital has been funding research universities
- •Kara emphasizes that foundational technologies came from government-supported research
Todd Blanche threatens Democrats and media: intimidation vs. strategy
Kara discusses comments from Attorney General Todd Blanche suggesting Democratic investigations could be criminal and cites concerns about prosecutors considering naming a major newspaper as a co-conspirator. Scott argues Democrats should avoid becoming consumed by subpoena politics around Trump, while also treating threats to institutions seriously but not as effective intimidation.
- •Kara frames Blanche’s comments as an attempt to kneecap oversight and intimidate critics
- •Scott warns Democrats against an “impeachment nostalgia tour” focused on Trump personally
- •They discuss whether Blanche’s posture is distraction, serious legal threat, or delay tactic
- •Scott predicts more pushback from institutions and lawmakers as timelines compress
- •They argue investigations should focus on substantive national-interest issues rather than political theater
CEOs and institutions distancing from Trump: political whiplash and corporate overreach
Kara and Scott turn to how companies, law firms, and universities that aligned with Trump may try to reposition after political shifts. Scott argues companies should be less political overall, while both discuss how politicization affects culture—and even personal relationships among young people.
- •Kara asks who will flip first among CEOs and donors who publicly aligned with Trump
- •Scott argues the ideal is for a CEO’s politics to be unknown and says corporate politicization has gone too far
- •They discuss how political sorting has seeped into everyday life, including dating and social circles
- •Scott argues limiting relationships by politics shrinks social and personal opportunities
- •They contrast institutions that resist political pressure with those that “bend the knee”
The GOP’s 2028 field: Vance’s prospects and how nominees really emerge
Kara asks whether JD Vance is finished as a 2028 contender amid donor doubts and distancing from Trump. Scott argues Trump is politically toxic to associates, notes how early “front-runners” often fade, and suggests the eventual Republican nominee is likely someone not yet obvious.
- •Kara lists potential contenders and frames Vance as distancing himself from Trump
- •Scott calls Trump “political Chernobyl” and doubts Vance’s viability
- •Scott argues the primary process functions like a stress test that produces survivors
- •He cites past early polling leaders who didn’t become nominees to show unpredictability
- •They debate alternative names and agree the leading contender may still be “TBD”
Audience Q&A: local journalism’s future and a teen’s question about failure
The live audience asks about the bleak outlook for local journalism and what might sustain it; Kara describes ideas like networks, legal support, and the challenges posed by advertising collapse and platform dominance. A 16-year-old asks whether failure gets easier after a breakup, and Kara and Scott respond with reassurance and a broader reflection on rejection and resilience.
- •A local journalist asks about the future of local news; Kara emphasizes its civic importance
- •Kara describes structural economic problems and warns against reliance on billionaires or government capture
- •She praises emerging local outlets but says scale and sustainability remain hard
- •A 16-year-old asks if failure gets easier after heartbreak; Kara says it does and frames risk-taking as valuable
- •Scott reframes rejection as necessary for future “yeses” and encourages continued confidence and resilience
Publisher timestamps
- 0:00Intro: Live from Denver
- 1:57Denver Mayor Mike Johnston on Boebert electionRead this chapter
- 10:51Data Center Pushback
- 13:57How Denver is Tackling Homelessness & Universal ChildcareRead this chapter
- 21:05Inside the Mayors’ Group ChatRead this chapter
- 24:18NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang ScandalRead this chapter
- 37:57Elon Musk, Starlink, and UkraineRead this chapter
- 41:17America’s Scientific Brain Drain
- 49:29Todd Blanche Threatens DemsRead this chapter
- 53:36Will CEOs Distance Themselves from Trump?Read this chapter
- 57:02The GOP’s 2028 FieldRead this chapter
- 1:02:42Q&ARead this chapter
