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Will Meta Pay the Price for 'Buy or Bury' Strategy at Antitrust Trial? | Pivot

Meta is facing a landmark antitrust trial that could force the company to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dig into the case’s origins, what’s at stake for Big Tech, and whether Meta’s empire might finally face real consequences. They also unpack Trump’s erratic tariff policy and its ripple effects on retailers, and why China seems to be winning the trade war, so far. Plus, the White House's defiance of the Supreme Court, Blue Origin’s all-female flight, and Bill Maher’s dinner with Trump. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 3:02 Tariff Flip-Flops 11:34 China’s Upper Hand 20:53 Meta Antitrust Trial 35:05 White House Stalls on Wrongful Deportation 44:00 Blue Origin’s All-Female Spaceflight 47:26 Bill Maher’s White House Visit 53:32 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #donaldtrump #tariffs #apple #china #tradewar #bigtech #meta #antitrust #markzuckerberg #instagram #blueorigin #jeffbezos #billmaher Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Corinne Ruff Kate Gallagher Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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Apr 15, 20251h 5mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Meta Faces Antitrust Reckoning Amid Trump Tariff Chaos And Stunts

  1. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect Trump’s chaotic tariff policy, arguing it has created historic economic uncertainty, risks stagflation, and is crushing small and mid-sized importers while sparing powerful firms like Apple. They then examine the FTC’s antitrust case against Meta over its “buy or bury” acquisitions of Instagram and WhatsApp, debating both the legal difficulty of unwinding old mergers and the economic and social costs of tech monopolies. The conversation widens to U.S.–China trade, global realignment as other countries sign new deals without America, and the broader erosion of rule of law through immigration roundups and defiance of Supreme Court rulings. They close by skewering Blue Origin’s all-female celebrity spaceflight as faux feminism, discussing Trump’s charm offensive on Bill Maher, and trading cultural wins and fails from politics, media, and entertainment.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Tariff volatility is creating unprecedented economic uncertainty and risk of stagflation.

Galloway argues that abrupt, poorly signaled tariffs force companies to scramble for unexpected cash (e.g., tens of millions to clear goods at ports), which slows investment and hiring even as interest rates spike—producing the toxic mix of slowing growth and rising costs.

Small and mid‑sized businesses bear the brunt of tariff shocks while giants get carve‑outs.

Case studies of a big catalog retailer and a $10–12M promotional-products firm show them halting China orders, scrambling to reprice goods, and facing potential collapse, while firms like Apple win last‑minute exemptions and even benefit in the markets.

China is diversifying away from U.S. dependence faster than the U.S. is from China.

China has cut the U.S. share of its exports from 24% to 17% while building trade with ASEAN and the EU, meaning Beijing has more options and could, if it chose, retaliate financially (e.g., selling Treasuries) but so far shows restraint the U.S. may be misreading.

The Meta antitrust case highlights the danger of allowing dominant platforms to ‘buy or bury’ rivals.

Email trails about ‘neutralizing’ Instagram and WhatsApp bolster the FTC’s argument that Meta bought emerging threats instead of competing; Swisher and Galloway contend regulators erred by approving these deals and should now adopt a much lower bar for blocking future mergers by dominant firms.

Breakups of dominant firms typically work and often increase shareholder value.

Galloway notes that historic breakups (e.g., AT&T, oil ‘Seven Sisters’) have generally benefited markets and consumers; spinning off Instagram, WhatsApp, or YouTube could both spur competition and unlock value, despite legal difficulty in unwinding old approvals.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Brand US has become toxic uncertainty.

Scott Galloway

Countries don’t go out of business because they’re invaded, they go out of business because they go broke.

Scott Galloway

They decided that competition was too hard and it'd be easier to buy out their rivals than compete with them.

Daniel Matheson, FTC lead litigator (quoted by Kara Swisher)

This is self‑inflicted damage… an own goal.

Kara Swisher

These companies have figured out a way to avoid all regulation. I don't see why this would be any different.

Scott Galloway

Trump’s tariff flip‑flops, economic uncertainty, and stagflation riskReal‑world impact of tariffs on retailers, SMEs, and consumersU.S.–China trade dynamics and global supply‑chain realignmentFTC antitrust trial against Meta over Instagram and WhatsApp acquisitionsBroader problem of tech monopolies, ‘buy or bury’ strategies, and weak merger enforcementU.S. immigration enforcement, deportations to El Salvador, and rule‑of‑law concernsCelebrity space tourism, performative feminism, and political/media culture (Bill Maher, Bukele, Bezos flight)

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