Will Meta Pay the Price for 'Buy or Bury' Strategy at Antitrust Trial? | Pivot

Meta is facing a landmark antitrust trial that could force the company to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dig into the case’s origins, what’s at stake for Big Tech, and whether Meta’s empire might finally face real consequences. They also unpack Trump’s erratic tariff policy and its ripple effects on retailers, and why China seems to be winning the trade war, so far. Plus, the White House's defiance of the Supreme Court, Blue Origin’s all-female flight, and Bill Maher’s dinner with Trump. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 3:02 Tariff Flip-Flops 11:34 China’s Upper Hand 20:53 Meta Antitrust Trial 35:05 White House Stalls on Wrongful Deportation 44:00 Blue Origin’s All-Female Spaceflight 47:26 Bill Maher’s White House Visit 53:32 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #donaldtrump #tariffs #apple #china #tradewar #bigtech #meta #antitrust #markzuckerberg #instagram #blueorigin #jeffbezos #billmaher Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Corinne Ruff Kate Gallagher Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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Apr 15, 20251h 5mWatch on YouTube ↗

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Released: April 15, 2025
Duration: 1h 5m
Channel: Pivot
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Meta is facing a landmark antitrust trial that could force the company to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp. Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dig into the case’s origins, what’s at stake for Big Tech, and whether Meta’s empire might finally face real consequences. They also unpack Trump’s erratic tariff policy and its ripple effects on retailers, and why China seems to be winning the trade war, so far. Plus, the White House's defiance of the Supreme Court, Blue Origin’s all-female flight, and Bill Maher’s dinner with Trump. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 3:02 Tariff Flip-Flops 11:34 China’s Upper Hand 20:53 Meta Antitrust Trial 35:05 White House Stalls on Wrongful Deportation 44:00 Blue Origin’s All-Female Spaceflight 47:26 Bill Maher’s White House Visit 53:32 Wins and Fails #pivot #podcast #donaldtrump #tariffs #apple #china #tradewar #bigtech #meta #antitrust #markzuckerberg #instagram #blueorigin #jeffbezos #billmaher Producers: Lara Naaman Zoë Marcus Taylor Griffin Corinne Ruff Kate Gallagher Video Editor: Jim Mackil Vox Media's Executive Producer of Podcasts: Nishat Kurwa Subscribe to Pivot on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pivot/id1073226719 Subscribe to Pivot on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4MU3RFGELZxPT9XHVwTNPR Follow us on Instagram and Threads at: https://www.instagram.com/pivotpodcastofficial Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@PIVOTPODCAST Send us your questions by calling us at 855-51-PIVOT, or at https://podcasts.voxmedia.com/show/pivot

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EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Pivot, featuring Scott Galloway and Kara Swisher, Will Meta Pay the Price for 'Buy or Bury' Strategy at Antitrust Trial? | Pivot explores meta Faces Antitrust Reckoning Amid Trump Tariff Chaos And Stunts Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway dissect Trump’s chaotic tariff policy, arguing it has created historic economic uncertainty, risks stagflation, and is crushing small and mid-sized importers while sparing powerful firms like Apple. They then examine the FTC’s antitrust case against Meta over its “buy or bury” acquisitions of Instagram and WhatsApp, debating both the legal difficulty of unwinding old mergers and the economic and social costs of tech monopolies. The conversation widens to U.S.–China trade, global realignment as other countries sign new deals without America, and the broader erosion of rule of law through immigration roundups and defiance of Supreme Court rulings. They close by skewering Blue Origin’s all-female celebrity spaceflight as faux feminism, discussing Trump’s charm offensive on Bill Maher, and trading cultural wins and fails from politics, media, and entertainment.

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