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BRAIN SURGEON Reveals How To STOP NEGATIVE THOUGHTS & Reduce Stress | Rahul Jandial

Today I'm delighted to welcome one of the world's leading neurosurgeons, Dr Rahul Jandial back onto the podcast. I first spoke to Rahul back on episode 76 about the simple things that we can all do to improve and optimise our brain health.

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May 26, 20211h 44mWatch on YouTube

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  1. A Neurosurgeon's Night-Before Ritual

    Jandial explains how he prepares for a high-stakes operation, combining light postural weight training with a mental run-through of the cancer's anatomy as he falls asleep. He and Chatterjee compare this to athletes' pre-performance rituals.

    • •Light weight training the night before, because a long operation is physically demanding
    • •Running through the cancer's shape and dangerous anatomy in the last 10 minutes before sleep
    • •The falling-asleep window as a portal to subconscious work and creativity
    • •He likes to anchor his methods in real science
  2. Systemic vs. Processive Resilience

    Jandial separates planned crises from unanticipated ones and splits resilience into two types. Systemic resilience is what you bring into the fight, while processive resilience is what the struggle brings out in you.

    • •Crisis management differs for anticipated and unanticipated challenges
    • •Systemic resilience is what you already have in you
    • •Processive resilience is what the fight draws out of you
    • •Tomorrow is always possible because of processive resilience
  3. Breathing as a Crisis Tool

    Jandial explains that his first move in a tense moment is to slow his breathing through his nose. He describes the physiology of hyperventilation and how fogging glasses act as his feedback cue. Chatterjee notes that this applies to everyday stress too.

    • •Hyperventilating without physical activity lowers blood carbon dioxide and causes twitchiness and irritability
    • •Breathing slowly in and out through the nose for two to three seconds
    • •Glasses fogging up works as neural feedback that he is breathing too fast
    • •He uses it as needed rather than as a daily ritual
    • •Slow breathing helps balance thought and emotion
  4. Life on a Knife's Edge: What Patients Teach

    Chatterjee turns to Jandial's new book. Jandial describes meeting thousands of people in their crises and seeing growth in them, and admits his view is skewed but offers clarity about mortality.

    • •He has met over 10,000 people at their most difficult times
    • •Patients show that difficult times hold a reservoir for growth
    • •His perspective is skewed but sheds light on how to live fully
    • •Patients often wish they had focused on quality of life earlier
  5. Compartmentalizing Scanxiety and Thinking in Seasons

    Jandial describes how cancer patients cope with scans every three months by allowing one rough week and protecting the weeks around it. He extends this into the idea of seasons, comparing the brain to a garden that grows, prunes and goes dormant.

    • •Patients limit the disruption of scan weeks so it doesn't eat into the 11 weeks between
    • •They allow themselves release valves for stress rather than being told not to stress
    • •Neurons branch (arborization) and get pruned, so a garden is a better model than wires
    • •Difficult periods are seasons rather than setbacks
  6. Facing the End of Life and Rethinking Surgery

    Jandial talks about patients who choose to stop treatment and how witnessing that has shaped his own sense that there is no time to waste. He explains how he has learned over 15 to 20 years to weigh surgery's risks and fit his offer to each person's story.

    • •Patients nearing the end often run through a film tape of their life
    • •Seeing this makes him less likely to take his days for granted
    • •Early in his career he believed surgery could do more than it does
    • •Choices differ for a young mother with a teenage son and for patients in their 70s and 80s
    • •Patients can choose nothing at all; knowing their stories matters as much as technique
  7. Humility, Connection and Compassion in Surgery

    The conversation turns to the stereotype of surgeons lacking humility. Jandial describes bringing his own life and complexities into patient interactions, from holding a patient's hand before surgery to promising they will never be stranded. Chatterjee calls connection the missing link in medicine.

    • •Surgeons are stereotyped as more interested in the procedure than the patient
    • •Sharing his own struggles made interactions a kind of reciprocal therapy
    • •He calls families before and after surgery and holds the patient's hand before they go in
    • •Body language and presence convey that the patient is not alone
    • •Chatterjee says connection is the most important thing he can offer patients
  8. Connection, Awake Surgery and an Unconventional Path

    Jandial links calm and connection to outcomes, citing research on reduced narcotic need and awake brain surgery. He and Chatterjee discuss how his unconventional path, including working as a security guard and busboy, shaped his empathy, and how medical selection favors bookworms.

    • •Pre-operative meditation and faith are linked to lower narcotic need
    • •Awake brain surgery requires coaching and a strong connection with the patient
    • •Empathy is hard to teach in a class; life experience helps
    • •He dropped out of university and took odd jobs before medicine
    • •He sees a flaw in selecting for people who study all day for a hospital full of varied humanity
  9. Vicarious Fortification and Learning from Patients

    Jandial and Chatterjee reflect on how much they learn from patients. Jandial describes feeling guilt over patients who have died, and says the book is an excavation of his own emotions alongside their lessons.

    • •Patients teach doctors more than doctors teach them
    • •Jandial describes feeling the opposite of vicarious trauma, which he calls vicarious fortification
    • •Patients who say they are living with cancer show him how to live fully
    • •He felt guilt as the cards from funerals piled up
    • •The specificity of the stories gives the book broad appeal
  10. Thought, Emotion and the Layers of the Brain

    Chatterjee asks about the balance between thinking and emotional brains. Jandial argues that anxiety, inflammation and reward are double-edged, and explains how the cortical canopy gives context to the emotional brain, using the rubber snake and movie examples.

    • •Anxiety, reward and inflammation are useful in the right dose and harmful when off balance
    • •Deep brain stimulation of limbic structures affects conditions like OCD
    • •The brain has a reptilian brain, an emotional brain and a cortical canopy that provides context
    • •The amygdala is a vigilance center rather than a fear center
    • •Emotional regulation means dancing with the emotional brain rather than removing it
  11. Regulating Emotions: Breathing, Medication and Brain Chemistry

    Jandial says turning thought inward and controlling breathing help with daily maintenance, while significant depression needs medicine, therapy and exercise. He explains how Valium and SSRIs act on the brain's chemistry and compares their effect with meditative breathing.

    • •Reflection and breathing are prevention and maintenance for anxiety
    • •Depression that is spiraling calls for medicine, therapy and physical activity
    • •Valium acts on GABA to quiet electrical activity, and breathing does something similar
    • •SSRIs prevent serotonin being cleared, which is why they take months
    • •Understanding how things work makes people more likely to follow through
  12. What Is the Self? Body, Mind and Narrative

    Chatterjee asks about the chapter on the self. Jandial describes cases in which the sense of self was altered, including a patient who lost the lower half of his body and insula surgery patients who deny their own limbs.

    • •The self involves the body, the mind and autobiographical memory
    • •A patient who had the lower half of his body removed fell into an irreversible depression
    • •Insula surgery can lead patients to deny and throw out their own arm
    • •The mind can reject signals from an intact brain, a phenomenon called confabulation
  13. Brain-Mind Reciprocity and Keeping the Brain Healthy

    Jandial says the brain and mind change each other, so self-improvement can physically alter the brain at any age. He lists four ways to tend the garden: vascular health, omega-3 nutrition, exercise, and challenging yourself with new learning.

    • •Efforts at self-improvement structurally change the connections between thought and emotion
    • •Clogged blood vessels cause parts of the brain to die, so keep them healthy
    • •Fatty fish or plant omega-3s support the myelin sheath
    • •Exercise acts as fertilizer through growth factors like BDNF
    • •Learning new things keeps parts of the brain from going dormant
  14. Use It or Lose It, and Closing Reflections

    Chatterjee shares a conversation with his mother about letting her do things for herself, and Jandial agrees but notes loneliness is a risk for older people. Jandial closes with the idea that life's depths reveal its heights and that no triumph or tragedy is forever.

    • •Doting on older people by doing everyday tasks can hasten decline
    • •Spending time with them still matters because of isolation
    • •Struggling people can show unexpected strength and growth
    • •Seeing life as seasons helps people enjoy where they are and know hard times pass

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