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"Running Is Bad For Your Knees Is A Myth" - Protect Your Joints & Transform Your Life | Helen Hall

Today I’m thrilled to welcome my dear friend, Helen Hall back to the podcast. Helen is a movement therapist, a running coach, a pain expert and one of the best coaches in any modality that I have ever come across.

Dr. Rangan ChatterjeehostHelen Hallguest
Mar 13, 20242h 36mWatch on YouTube

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  1. Why “running is bad for your knees” doesn’t add up

    The host raises the common belief that running harms knees, and Helen Hall argues the problem is rarely “running itself.” She points out that knee pain is usually uneven (one knee worse than the other), suggesting something else is being overloaded or moving poorly.

    • •Helen Hall says running per se cannot be bad for knees; the context is how someone runs and moves overall
    • •Knee pain in runners is typically not symmetrical, which makes a simple “running causes knee pain” story unlikely
    • •The host proposes a clearer framing: pain comes from running in the way someone currently runs
    • •Helen emphasizes investigating why the knee is upset rather than telling people to stop running
  2. The knee as a “sandwiched” joint: look above and below

    Helen explains the knee’s structure and why it often takes the strain when movement elsewhere is limited or excessive. The conversation reinforces the idea that the site of the symptom is not always the root cause.

    • •Helen describes the knee as a large, stable joint that should mainly move in two dimensions
    • •She notes the knee sits between a complex foot/ground interface and a highly mobile hip/pelvis
    • •She suggests assessing what’s happening above and below the knee (hip/pelvis and foot/ankle) when knee pain shows up
    • •The host connects this to the broader concept: symptoms can appear far from the true cause
  3. “Where is your head?”: posture as the hidden driver of many pains

    Helen says her first question for many complaints is where the head is positioned, because forward head posture can overload the system. The host revisits their earlier discussion that if the head isn’t “on right,” movement problems can cascade downward.

    • •Helen says many issues (neck, shoulders, back, hips, knees, calves, plantar fasciitis) make her immediately wonder about head position
    • •She reports people wrote in saying fixing head position made running easier and resolved knee pain
    • •The host reiterates the theme that nothing moves in isolation and suggests checking head position before getting too deep into details
    • •Helen adds that if the head is forward enough, it can be highly relevant to symptoms
  4. Why the head matters: sensory systems, balance, and load

    Helen explains how the head’s weight and sensory role (vision, vestibular system, proprioception) influence movement and stability. She describes how forward head posture increases effective load through the body, changing how everything else must work.

    • •Helen describes the vestibular system as inner-ear mechanics informing orientation in space and supporting balance
    • •She explains proprioception as feedback from muscles, tendons, and joints about limb position and forces
    • •Helen says movement should be non-injurious and supported by the head’s sensory systems
    • •She explains forward head posture increases load; she cites examples of increased effective weight with certain forward angles
  5. Spinal extension and “maximum movement potential”

    Helen argues that when head posture pulls the spine into a slouched, flexed shape, movement options shrink—yet people still try to run faster or do more. She contrasts “deportment” with functional upright extension that enables easier multi-plane movement.

    • •Helen compares a forward head to a heavy Christmas ornament bending a branch, pulling the spine into a C-shape
    • •She says spinal extension provides greater movement potential across joints and planes of motion
    • •Flexed posture reduces range and can trap people in biased movement patterns
    • •She suggests improved extension can increase range automatically without forcing stretches
  6. Efficiency over effort: moving faster without trying harder

    The host distills Helen’s method into awareness and efficiency—principles relevant to everyone, not only athletes. Helen shares her preference for making movement easier to go farther, and introduces poles as a tool to reduce knee load and increase whole-body engagement.

    • •The host frames Helen’s approach around awareness and efficiency, applicable to daily movement
    • •The host describes experiencing walking quicker and running faster without extra effort after improving efficiency
    • •Helen argues for making movement as easy as possible to adventure farther
    • •Helen says using poles effectively can take substantial body weight off the knees and turn movement into a whole-body activity
  7. Ego and endurance: why people resist walk-run strategies

    The host brings up ego and the belief that it “doesn’t count” unless you run the entire way. Helen and the host discuss how walk-run can be a smart strategy rather than “cheating,” especially for long events and long-term joint health.

    • •The host notes some runners avoid poles or walk breaks because it feels like cheating or doesn’t count
    • •The host challenges the idea that you must run continuously, contrasting it with the stop-start nature of moving during long pursuits
    • •Helen says people often release ego when they truly need to, enabling progress
    • •They frame walking as a strategy rather than a failure, and question why everything must hurt
  8. Case study: qualifying with walk-run after an Achilles problem

    Helen tells the story of a 60-year-old aiming for a qualifying time at the London Marathon, who had an Achilles issue and limited training. By addressing loading patterns and using a run/walk plan, she completed long runs quickly and pain-free, then exceeded her goal time in the marathon.

    • •Helen describes identifying that the Achilles was overloaded due to leaning to one side, not because the tendon was ‘wrong’
    • •They test a run/walk plan (including a 3:1 run-to-walk experiment) that lets her run 11 miles pain-free after months off
    • •Helen explains tapering and why this runner still chose another long run for mental calm
    • •On marathon day she uses a 5:1 run/walk schedule, beats the qualifying time, and reports enjoying the last six miles
  9. Why walk-run works: recovery while moving and avoiding fatigue spirals

    Helen argues that walking segments allow recovery and healing while still progressing, especially in endurance contexts. The host ties this to his ‘stress threshold’ analogy: small recoveries keep you from tipping into breakdown, fatigue, and injury.

    • •Helen says the key is not waiting until you’re tired; start walk-run early to avoid crossing into fatigue
    • •She describes how walking changes the gait demands compared to running and reduces shock absorption load
    • •She cites the idea that muscles recover while walking, not only during full rest
    • •Helen suggests varying gait patterns can be easier than repeating one pattern continuously, even if that pattern is walking
  10. Teaching the brain, not forcing the body: finding your head with sensory input

    They return to why many people can’t sense head position and how to rebuild that awareness. Helen explains using skin contact, comfortable positioning on the floor, and simple head movements to restore non-cognitive, automatic control.

    • •Helen says some people don’t compute the question ‘where is your head,’ indicating a spatial awareness disconnect
    • •She recommends lying on the back (with cushions if needed) to give the brain clear sensory input
    • •She suggests touching and wiggling the crown area and using a slippery surface under the head to reduce friction
    • •Helen emphasizes this is not about ‘thinking posture’ but restoring subconscious mapping and movement development
  11. Doris: measuring movement in 3D and why walking can be worse than running

    Helen explains her gait analysis system, Doris, and what it measures during movement. She describes why some people run better than they walk—running can bypass certain restrictions—while the walking pattern may be the hidden source of pain that only becomes obvious with running impact.

    • •Helen describes Doris as advanced gait analysis tech measuring spine/pelvis movement in three dimensions and foot forces/pressures
    • •The host contrasts movement-based analysis with static imaging done while still
    • •Helen explains contralateral twisting as a fundamental human pattern and says walking requires organized spatial awareness
    • •She explains a common pattern where the shoulder girdle is muted in walking, limiting pelvic function and contributing to issues like hip pain
  12. Foot wiping and ticklish feet: changing the whole system from the soles up

    The discussion shifts to hypersensitive soles and how simple foot wiping can change movement patterns measurably. Helen explains receptive fields, reflexes, and how scrubbing the soles can reduce ‘noise’ and improve coordination through the entire body.

    • •Helen says palms, soles, and tongue provide dense sensory input, and soles may be hypersensitive (‘ticklish’) in a suboptimal way
    • •She describes hypersensitivity as making people avoid ground contact, leading to rigid or protective walking strategies
    • •She says foot wiping can rapidly change foot pressures, weight shift, stride length, and even influence the shoulder girdle
    • •Helen shares a story of a marathoner improving from 5.5 hours to 5 hours after months of consistent foot wiping
  13. Minimalist footwear, socks, and practical hope for people in pain

    They discuss footwear choices, including the impact of cushioning, heel lift, and restrictive socks, along with development considerations for children. The episode ends with practical starting points for people who struggle to walk without pain—checking head, feet, and vision—and a broader message of experimentation and hope.

    • •Helen says she prefers minimal material between foot and ground, but emphasizes gradual transitions; socks can be restrictive too
    • •They discuss concerns about babies’ foot exploration and suggest context (time spent covered) matters
    • •Helen and the host describe how constant heel elevation leads the body to strategize and compensate elsewhere
    • •Helen offers simple steps for frustrated walkers: check head position, address hypersensitive or hyposensitive feet, and experiment with a wider ‘all-seeing’ visual field rather than narrow focus

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