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The 7 SURPRISING Ways To Heal Trauma WITHOUT MEDICATION | Dr. Bessel Van Der Kolk

My guest today is someone who I’ve been wanting to speak to for a very long time. Dr Bessel van der Kolk is a professor of psychiatry at Boston University School of Medicine and President of the Trauma Research Foundation in Massachusetts.

Dr. Rangan ChatterjeehostDr. Bessel van der Kolkguest
Feb 15, 20231h 31mWatch on YouTube

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Bessel van der Kolk on Healing Trauma Through Body, Connection and Movement

  1. Van der Kolk describes trauma as a stress reaction that never switches off, leaving people unable to control intense emotional reactions, and says it is far more common than originally thought, often hidden by shame and secrecy.
  2. He says recovery depends heavily on social connection and safety, and that medicine often misses or even re-creates trauma for patients with conditions like fibromyalgia because systems favor clear diagnoses and quick fixes.
  3. He discusses body-based and experiential approaches including yoga, movement, theater and sword fighting, EMDR, neurofeedback and group treatment, stressing that no single method works for everyone and that unconventional approaches deserve rigorous study.
  4. He reports promising results from psychedelic-assisted therapy with MDMA, ketamine and psilocybin, including increased self-compassion, but warns that the field is in a honeymoon phase and requires careful set, setting and support.
  5. He closes by saying trauma teaches that people do the best they can to survive, and encourages people who feel stuck to look at what has worked for them before, such as yoga, singing in a choir or martial arts.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Trauma is a stress response that fails to reset

Van der Kolk says ordinary stress ends when the event is over, but after trauma the reactions do not stop, and the salience network makes people react to minor issues as catastrophes.

Social support strongly shapes who is left with lasting trauma

Temperament matters, but having people who acknowledge what happened and help you feel safe makes a big difference. He objected to the word 'insulate' as too total, saying connection helps and contributes significantly.

Medicine can re-traumatize patients it doesn't understand

He says conditions like fibromyalgia, which he links to severe trauma histories, don't fit neat pill-based models, and frustrated clinicians can become unkind. He suggests physicians treat their own strong reactions to a patient as a signal of possible trauma.

Moving and engaging the body counters helplessness

He says much trauma centers on being unable to act, so practices like yoga, movement, building after a hurricane, or learning sword fighting restore a felt sense of agency. Yoga studies he ran showed lower PTSD scores after eight to 12 weeks, but he stresses it isn't the final answer.

Don't close the door on unconventional treatments before studying them

He says promising methods like theater, tango, choral singing and equine therapy often begin with charismatic individuals and lack funding. He argues for studying them to learn what works for whom, rather than dismissing them or declaring one the treatment of choice.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The big difference is when stress is over, it's over.

— Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

I think what trauma really teaches us is that people do the best they can to survive, and that, uh, being punitive and nasty to people who do things that you don't like is probably not the best way to help them

— Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

It's a universal response that you experience deep disappointment and betrayal and fear in your body.

— Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

I think as physicians we have an amazing capacity to help recreate trauma for our patients.

— Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

I think most really truly innovative things in our world are a- are discovered by traumatized people, because they live in a world that's unbearable, and so they have no choice but to find new ways of coping with things

— Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

Read the available transcript
Trauma versus ordinary stressPrevalence, shame and secrecy of traumaSocial connection and resilienceTrauma and the medical systemYoga, movement and theaterEMDR and neurofeedbackGroup healing and psychedelic therapy

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SPEAKERS

  • Dr. Rangan Chatterjee

    host

    Medical doctor, author, and host of the health podcast/channel "Feel Better, Live More".

  • Dr. Bessel van der Kolk

    guest

    Psychiatrist and trauma researcher, author of "The Body Keeps the Score," associated with the Trauma Research Foundation.

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