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Molly Carlson on cliff diving, mental health & #bravegang | ReThinking with Adam Grant | TED

Molly Carlson (@mollycarlson1) is a professional high diver, three-time runner-up at the Red Bull Cliff Diving World Series, and the founder of Brave Gang, an online community of people who encourage each other to face their fears together. In this episode, Molly and Adam reflect on anxiety and motivation, the functions and dysfunctions of fear, and how to harness the benefits and overcome the costs. They also discuss what Molly has learned from her challenges with mental health, body image, and asking for help. Follow Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: adamgrant.net/) Guest: Molly Carlson (Instagram: @mollycarlson1 | TikTok: @mollycarlson | YouTube: @mollycarlson1) Links https://www.mollycarlsonofficial.com/ https://bravegang.co/ Subscribe to TED Instagram: @ted YouTube: @TED TikTok: @tedtoks LinkedIn: @ted-conferences Website: ted.com Podcasts: ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com. 00:00 Intro 00:43 Diving speed 02:32 Why high diving? 03:59 Molly's first high dive 05:56 Moly's scariest dive 12:31 What motivates Molly 16:20 Respecting your fear 24:25 Molly's experience at the Olympic trials 28:41 Molly's struggles with body dysmorphia 32:14 #BraveGang 33:57 Lightning round 36:40 Takeaways

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Sep 12, 202537mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Cliff diver Molly Carlson on fear, identity, and mental health

  1. Carlson describes the physical realities of high diving—speed, impact, and narrow margins for error—and why the sport demands calculated risk rather than recklessness.
  2. She recounts how chasing an “ideal” judging-sport body contributed to anxiety, binge eating disorder, and a painful Olympic-trials period that ultimately pushed her to seek help.
  3. Carlson argues that fear is protective when respected, and shares mental skills (acknowledging fear, routines, visualization, and reps) to keep fear functional instead of paralyzing.
  4. She explains how posting online led to #BraveGang, a large community built around sharing “brave” acts, which both supports others and strengthens her own resilience.
  5. The conversation reframes bravery as not just jumping from height, but also setting boundaries, asking for help, and rejecting harmful body standards in sport and online spaces.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

High diving is calculated, not impulsive.

Carlson emphasizes that at ~65–80 km/h even slight entry errors can mean serious injury, so athletes only attempt dives when physically and mentally prepared.

Fear belongs in high-risk performance—ignoring it increases mistakes.

She links her concussion to getting overly comfortable and distracted (trying to film the “best TikTok”), arguing that respecting fear keeps decision-making smart and safe.

Don’t fight fear; relocate it.

Her coach’s “paper in front of your eyes” metaphor helps her move fear to the side—allowing fear to exist without consuming attention needed for execution.

Routines can override panic in the final seconds.

A rhythmic pre-dive sequence (consistent breathing and timing) reduces overthinking, letting muscle memory take over—an approach reinforced by advice from Greg Louganis.

Some ‘failures’ are exits from toxic systems.

Missing the Olympic team felt like relief because it ended an extreme, malnourished, anxiety-driven pursuit—highlighting that unmet dreams can create room for recovery and perspective.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Finally asking for help was the bravest thing I've ever done. People ask me that to this day. They're like, "Jumping must be the bravest thing." I'm like, "No, I will jump off a million cliffs before I finally talk about mental health," 'cause it's so hard and so scary.

Molly Carlson

The trick in high diving is to learn that you should not try to push away fear.

Molly Carlson

Gently shift that piece of paper to the side. That fear can simply exist beside you. Fear can absolutely be there. It should be there in your sport. But I'm gonna put you just right here so that I can give my full attention to doing the best and safest dive that I can," and that changed my life.

Molly Carlson

I was eating under 300 calories a day trying to perform at 30 hours a week. You can't be doing that, and my body tried to tell me. My hair was falling out.

Molly Carlson

I crave my brain to shut off my entire life, and as soon as I jump, it's just me in the air for those three seconds, and anxiety doesn't exist. Like, it's just, it's beautiful. It's bliss.

Molly Carlson

Impact and speed at 20–27 metersLearning elite dives under pressureFear as a safety mechanismMental performance coaching techniquesOlympic trials disappointment and reliefBinge eating disorder and body dysmorphia#BraveGang community and boundaries

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