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Hélène Landemore is a political scientist at Yale who studies democracy. She has a radical idea for fixing politics: what if we replaced career politicians with citizen assemblies, filled with people chosen by lottery? In this episode, Hélène and Adam discuss the history of this idea, tracing back to Ancient Greece and the birth of democracy, as well as recent examples of countries and states that have tried this bold method of governance. Hélène responds to some common questions and concerns about citizen assemblies, and Adam breaks down some evidence supporting the notion that ordinary citizens may be more fit to serve and lead than professional politicians. Host & Guest Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/) Hélène Landemore (Website: https://www.helenelandemore.com/) Links Politics Without Politicians: The Case for Citizen Rule - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0593713982 Join us in person at a TED conference: https://tedtalks.social/events Become a TED Member to support our mission: https://ted.com/membership Subscribe to a TED newsletter: https://ted.com/newsletters Follow TED! X: https://www.twitter.com/TEDTalks Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ted Facebook: https://facebook.com/TED LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ted-conferences TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@tedtoks Podcasts: https://www.ted.com/podcasts The TED Audio Collective is a collection of podcasts for the curious. The TED Audio Collective videos may be used for non-commercial purposes under a Creative Commons License, Attribution–Non Commercial–No Derivatives (or the CC BY – NC – ND 4.0 International) and in accordance with our TED Talks Usage Policy (https://www.ted.com/about/our-organiz...). For more information on using TED for commercial purposes (e.g. employee learning, in a film or online course), please submit a Media Request at https://media-requests.ted.com.

Hélène LandemoreguestAdam Granthost
Feb 10, 202636mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Reimagining democracy through citizen lotteries, deliberation, and anti-elite governance reform

  1. Landemore challenges the assumption that politics requires professional elites (especially lawyers), arguing that ordinary citizens are statistically reasonable and already capable of agenda-setting and policymaking with proper support.
  2. She points to real-world experiments—especially Iceland’s crowdsourced constitutional process and France’s Citizens’ Convention for Climate—as evidence that randomly selected citizens can deliberate, weigh trade-offs, and produce concrete legislative proposals.
  3. A core claim is that democracy requires trust in ordinary people; demanding proof of competence before granting political power historically becomes a tool for exclusion, whereas empowerment tends to precede civic learning.
  4. Random selection may reduce adverse selection seen in elections, where power-seeking personalities can be disproportionately rewarded, and it can cultivate humility and “servant leadership” among those chosen.
  5. To scale and legitimize citizen-led governance, the episode emphasizes transparent lottery mechanics, diverse representative samples, time for learning, and a redesigned expert–citizen relationship where expertise serves citizen judgment rather than replaces it.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Elections professionalize politics in ways that narrow representation.

Landemore contrasts Greek “amateur” politics with modern legislatures dominated by lawyers, arguing many policy judgments don’t require a JD and that over-professionalization distances institutions from lived realities.

Ordinary citizens can draft policy when deliberation is structured well.

Examples like France’s climate convention show citizens can identify problems, consult experts, debate trade-offs, and generate proposals that legal teams later translate into formal legislative language—similar to how parliaments already rely on staff and outside drafting.

Citizen assemblies deliver more than ‘collective intelligence’—they also heal social bonds.

Landemore says the emotional and relational effects (bonding, identity-building, empathy) are central, and inclusion of marginalized participants (e.g., homeless people) changes what others consider salient and morally urgent.

Requiring competence tests before participation risks recreating anti-democratic exclusion.

She argues that calls for evidence of “readiness” echo past justifications for withholding rights from women and Black citizens; citing Du Bois, she stresses political rights often come before education, not after.

Sortition can reduce the ‘power-seeker’ bias of elections.

Both speakers note elections may favor narcissistic and manipulative candidates; being randomly selected tends to produce humility and duty because participants don’t feel “chosen” on merit and must earn the role through collaboration.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We have convinced ourselves that it's a specific type of job, that only certain types of people can do it, especially lawyers.

Hélène Landemore

Do we really need to go to law school to have something to say about the opioid, opioid crisis or, or, you know, uh, housing, uh, inflation, stuff like that? I, I'm less and less certain.

Hélène Landemore

Either we are committed to democracy, rule of the people, by the people, for the people, or, and we trust ordinary citizens, or we don't trust ordinary citizens, and in that case, we have to admit that we are oligarchs of sort or supporters of oligarchy, ruled by the few and presumably the best.

Hélène Landemore

Political rights always precede education.

Hélène Landemore

If you don't open democracy consciously, structurally, the mob will break it open for you.

Hélène Landemore

Elitism and professionalization of politicsLottery (sortition) vs electionsCitizen assemblies and deliberative designIceland and France participation experimentsTrust, legitimacy, and historical exclusion via “competence” testsAdverse selection and dark triad traits in elected leadersScale, transparency, and implementation incentives

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