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Choose Your Seven Humans Wisely with author Fredrik Backman | Simon Sinek

What if great friendships aren’t found by luck but built through effort? Bestselling novelist Fredrik Backman, the mind behind "A Man Called Ove" (adapted into the Tom Hanks film "A Man Called Otto"), "Anxious People", and the beloved Beartown series, has spent his career writing about the quiet power of ordinary people. But in his real life, he learned one of his most important lessons from his best friend of 30 years: meaningful friendship is a skill you develop, not a lottery you win. Despite being a self-described introvert, Fredrik discovered that you don’t need hundreds of friends. You only get a few humans who truly shape your life. His newest book, "My Friends", is a tribute to those relationships and the daily work of showing up for the people who matter most. In this candid and inspiring conversation, Fredrik and I talk about the healing power of friendship, why differences make relationships stronger, the value of having friends who edit us, and the joy of being genuinely happy for someone else. If you want to become a better friend and build deeper connections, this episode offers heartfelt lessons from one of the world’s most compassionate storytellers. This is A Bit of Optimism. --------------------------- This episode is brought to you by the Porsche USA Macan --------------------------- To check out Fredrik’s newest book, “My Friends,” visit: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/My-Friends/Fredrik-Backman/9781982112820 Find the full-length speech Fredrik gave for Simon & Schuster here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSuSyZ92Cjg + + + Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together. Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do. Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game. + + + Website: http://simonsinek.com/ Live Online Classes: https://simonsinek.com/classes/ Podcast: http://apple.co/simonsinek Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/ Linkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinek Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek Simon’s books: The Infinite Game: https://simonsinek.com/books/the-infinite-game/ Start With Why: https://simonsinek.com/books/start-with-why/ Find Your Why: https://simonsinek.com/books/find-your-why/ Leaders Eat Last: https://simonsinek.com/books/leaders-eat-last/ Together is Better: https://simonsinek.com/books/together-is-better/ + + + #SimonSinek

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Nov 18, 202558mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Why algorithms can’t pick your best people

    Backman opens with the idea that algorithms would never have matched him with his wife or best friend. He argues that the most important relationships often come from stumbling into people who are different from us—and letting that difference shape who we become.

  2. The viral speech: panic, honesty, and why it landed

    Backman recounts how his Simon & Schuster centennial speech went viral—despite being driven by anxiety and confusion about what he was walking into. Sinek highlights that audiences respond to authenticity more than polish.

  3. Why Backman said yes: his best friend’s leadership influence

    Backman explains that he couldn’t refuse the podcast because his best friend—now an HR leader—deeply values Sinek’s leadership ideas. Their friendship becomes a window into how values, service, and responsibility shape both leadership and relationships.

  4. Friends you can brag to vs. friends you can cry to

    Sinek shares an observation: many people have friends for hard times, but far fewer people they can call to celebrate wins without jealousy. Backman describes how his best friend provides that rare “safe bragging” space and emotional outlet.

  5. Friends as editors—and what social media replaced

    They explore the idea that friends act like editors: hearing your raw reaction, challenging your blind spots, and helping you re-enter the world calmer and clearer. Sinek contrasts this with social media, where unedited venting becomes public and destructive.

  6. How writing began: letters as a way to “edit” conflict

    Backman traces his writing origin to childhood frustration in arguments—especially with a verbally skilled father. Writing letters gave him time to shape what he meant and express emotions without being overwhelmed in the moment.

  7. A friendship that matures you: choosing partner/family time (and saying it out loud)

    Backman describes formative moments when his friend explicitly reprioritized time toward a girlfriend, then a child—while still affirming the friendship. The group learned that mature relationships require quantity of time, clear communication, and acceptance of changing seasons.

  8. Showing up in grief: time as the only real currency

    Backman shares how his friend responds to loss: arriving in person and offering practical help, even without perfect words. The chapter reinforces the theme that presence and time—not advice—are often the deepest form of care.

  9. How to ‘get’ friendships like this: rules of fighting and doing the work on yourself

    Asked how to find a friend like that, Backman admits luck but stresses intentional relationship practices—especially clear conflict rules. He and his wife agreed early on never to weaponize break-up threats and to debrief fights to understand each other better.

  10. Effort you can see: ‘trying’ as the most romantic act

    Sinek reframes what makes relationships work: not perfection, but visible effort. Both connect “trying” to parenting, friendship, and conflict—where showing up and owning your part builds trust over time.

  11. Choose your seven ‘humans’: small circles, deep time, and being hard to know

    Backman distinguishes between ‘people’ (strangers) and ‘humans’ (the few you choose). He explains why he keeps a small circle: it takes time for others to see past his intensity and notice his good qualities too.

  12. Healthy self-deprecation, Swedish Jante, and learning from difference

    Sinek explores the difference between self-deprecation and low self-esteem—naming flaws as a way to work on them rather than hide them. They discuss Swedish Jante culture (humility norms), its benefits and “crabs in a bucket” downside, and how being around different people builds perspective.

  13. Fear of not being enough: the engine behind overwork, anger, and expectations

    Backman speculates that his friend’s time-discipline is rooted in fear of not being enough, especially as he rose in leadership without traditional credentials. He connects this to his own fear of disappointing others and how expectations can trigger frustration—especially with kids.

  14. Understanding bullies without excusing them—and the closing ‘cardamom bun’ detour

    Backman answers a tough question by turning inward: understand bullies by locating the shared human impulses in yourself, not by romanticizing them. The conversation ends with mutual admiration about accessible writing and a light, memorable debate about Stockholm’s best cardamom bun.

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