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How to Stop Being Socially Awkward (According to Science) | Behavioral Scientist Vanessa Van Edwards

Maybe this sounds familiar: you leave a party and spend the rest of the night convinced everyone was upset with you. Or you replay something you said in a meeting for days and second-guess every last word. Vanessa Van Edwards has been there. As a self-proclaimed "recovering awkward person," she’s spent two decades decoding the hidden dynamics of human interaction to make those skills teachable for introverts and extroverts alike. Vanessa is a behavioral researcher, bestselling author, and founder of Science of People. In her book, _Conversation: How to Be Instantly Likeable in Any Interaction,_ she makes the case that social skills aren't a personality type, they're learnable. And she believes we are living in the most critical moment in history to_ start_ learning them. In this episode you'll learn: ➡️ Why "just be yourself" is unhelpful advice ➡️ The important everyday interactions technology + AI replaced ➡️ Where to stand at a party so someone always talks to you ➡️ How to have better conversations (+ why you already have the skills) ➡️ What the real antidote to awkwardness is ➡️ How to practice micro-social skills without turning people off ➡️ How soft skills drive major career inflection points ➡️ The concept of social fitness + the “nutrition” of your relationships In this conversation, Vanessa lays out how even the most socially anxious among us can build real connections and become more likable… even in a world that has quietly removed all the places we used to accidentally get good at being human. And the secret isn't confidence. It's something far more generous. This… is _A Bit of Optimism._ + + + Watch _A Bit of Optimism_ on Spotify, and Spotify Premium users can enjoy the show ad-free. To pre-order Vanessa’s new book, _Conversation: How to Be Instantly Likeable in Any Interaction,_ head to: https://www.scienceofpeople.com/conversation/ Want to learn more people skills from Vanessa? Check out The Science of People: https://www.scienceofpeople.com/ + + + Chapters 00:00:00 Social Skills in the Digital Age Crisis 00:01:47 Vanessa's Journey: The Accidental Social Skills Expert 00:05:45 Mistakes Everyone Makes Learning to Improve Social Skills 00:08:09 Where Did Our Places to Practice Being Human Go? 00:11:21 Where to Stand at a Party When You Don't Know Anyone 00:14:17 The Most Critical Time to Learn Social Skills 00:16:48 Social Friction at Work: Hidden Productivity Killer 00:18:58 The Discomfort With Being Uncomfortable 00:21:33 The Business Card Trick: Creating Conditions vs. Being Charming 00:36:07 The Ambivert Reality: Social Fitness and Friendship Nutrition 00:42:20 Micro-Social Skills: Finding the Parts of Yourself You Like 00:46:56 The Man Who Stayed: How Love Taught Self-Love 00:49:51 The Antidote to Awkwardness Is Helping Someone Else 00:58:32 Why You Have to Push Your Boundaries 00:06:22 Start With What You're Already Good At + + + Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together. Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do. Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including _Start With Why,_ _Leaders Eat Last,_ _Together is Better,_ and _The Infinite Game._ + + + Website:http://simonsinek.com/ Leaderful: https://simonsinek.com/leaderful Podcast:http://apple.co/simonsinek Instagram:https://instagram.com/simonsinek/ Linkedin:https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/ Twitter:https://twitter.com/simonsinek Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek

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May 19, 202659mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:50

    Why social awkwardness is rising: fewer everyday interactions in a digital world

    Simon and Vanessa frame a modern “social skills crisis,” arguing that digital convenience has removed the small, low-stakes interactions that used to train us to be human. Without intentional practice, people risk never developing (or losing) core social capabilities like asking for help and reading cues.

    • Digital communication reduces practice with nonverbal and in-person interaction
    • Convenience replaces ‘casual collisions’ (neighbors, errands, quick chats)
    • Social skills can atrophy without regular use
    • Vanessa warns this is a critical moment to learn skills deliberately
  2. 1:50 – 4:53

    Vanessa’s origin story: from ‘recovering awkward’ to social-skills scientist

    Vanessa explains how her own awkwardness led her to interpersonal research and early YouTube videos translating social science into practical tips. A viral moment and demand from companies turned her experiments into courses and corporate soft-skills training.

    • Started posting research-backed tips for ‘awkward people’ on early YouTube
    • Personal awkward pattern: interpreting neutral faces as negative
    • Ran playful self-experiments to test findings in real settings
    • Viral success led to courses and corporate trainings for technical professionals
  3. 4:53 – 5:45

    The common learning mistake: practicing new skills with the highest-stakes person

    They discuss why many people fail when trying to improve socially: they attempt brand-new behaviors with bosses or intimidating people, then quit after awkward feedback. Vanessa proposes a safer, incremental approach that builds confidence and reduces overthinking.

    • Don’t debut new techniques with the person who makes you most nervous
    • Checklist behaviors (e.g., overusing names) can backfire without calibration
    • Negative early feedback can cause people to abandon learning entirely
    • Treat social skills like experiments: start small, iterate, and scale
  4. 5:45 – 8:09

    Start with micro-social skills: build on what you already do well

    Vanessa introduces “micro-social skills”—small strengths people already possess (storytelling, listening, warmth, explaining technical ideas). Identifying these strengths provides a stable base to tolerate discomfort while layering in new behaviors.

    • Micro-skills include storytelling, listening, warmth, eye contact, clear explanations
    • Use existing strengths as a confidence anchor when trying something new
    • Have ‘back pocket’ topics you can reliably talk about to find flow
    • Progress comes from pairing safe people with small experiments
  5. 8:09 – 10:05

    Where did our practice spaces go? Recreating ‘casual collisions’

    Simon reflects on how he used to practice communication in low-stakes environments (planes, dinner parties), but many of those situations have disappeared. Vanessa argues we must intentionally recreate everyday interactions—especially asking for help—because apps and AI now remove the need to engage humans.

    • Low-stakes practice opportunities have been replaced by phones, apps, and delivery
    • Asking for help and saying ‘I don’t know’ are learnable social skills
    • AI can reduce human-to-human contact (even calling family less)
    • We need to deliberately create environments for social practice
  6. 10:05 – 14:17

    Tactical party navigation: where to stand and how to join a group

    Vanessa gives concrete strategies for entering social settings when you don’t know anyone, including location ‘hotspots’ and timing your approach. The goal is to reduce friction by choosing moments when others are most open to connection.

    • Avoid the entry/coat area and hovering near food (both inhibit real conversation)
    • Best spot: near the bar as people turn back into the room with a drink
    • Alternative: stand by art/books to be content alone and attract like-minded people
    • Join groups at peak openness (laughter/aha), ask: ‘May I join?’
  7. 14:17 – 16:02

    The ‘most critical time’ to learn: social grit, rejection, and resilience

    They connect modern avoidance of discomfort to weakened social resilience—especially among younger people who can architect lives to minimize awkwardness. Dating apps and remote options reduce exposure to rejection and ambiguity, but those experiences are essential training for adulthood and work.

    • Learning discomfort early builds lifelong social resilience
    • Swiping reduces exposure to rejection—and reduces practice handling it
    • Ambivalence can be harder than rejection for anxious/awkward people
    • Some younger people design life to avoid discomfort, limiting growth
  8. 16:02 – 18:58

    Social friction at work: the hidden productivity and engagement killer

    Vanessa describes how unclear relationships and fear of reaching out create “social friction” that slows execution and reduces idea-sharing. Miscommunication, under-presenting, and avoidance can cost businesses real outcomes, making social connectedness a strategic advantage.

    • Confusing social dynamics reduce productivity, engagement, and communication
    • People avoid asking colleagues for help, leading to bottlenecks and silence
    • Awkwardness can degrade client interactions and weaken idea presentation
    • Social skills are organizational infrastructure, not ‘nice-to-have’
  9. 18:58 – 21:42

    Being okay with being uncomfortable: avoiding ‘meh’ careers and passive aggression

    Simon argues that comfort with discomfort is a major competitive advantage, and that ‘toxic’ is often misused to describe normal workplace discomfort or feedback. Avoiding hard conversations leads to passive aggression, stalled careers, and organizational flatlining.

    • Discomfort is normal; avoiding it produces stagnation (‘meh’/flatlining)
    • Organizations become passive-aggressive when no one gives feedback
    • Feedback often gets mislabeled as toxicity when it’s simply uncomfortable
    • Many career inflection points come from relationships, not pure competence
  10. 21:42 – 30:57

    The business card rule: designing conditions instead of chasing charm

    Simon shares a personal constraint—only giving his business card when asked—to force himself to create genuine value rather than pushiness. Vanessa adds her own ‘interview-introduction’ mindset shift to move conversations from aimless small talk to purposeful curiosity.

    • Self-imposed rules can shape better social behavior without feeling performative
    • Shift from ‘be charming’ to ‘create conditions’ where connection happens naturally
    • Vanessa’s trick: pretend you must introduce the person on stage to find their ‘treasure’
    • Blueprints and intentions help replace anxiety-driven improvisation
  11. 30:57 – 34:52

    Curiosity over checklists: asking questions without interrogating

    They critique simplistic advice like ‘ask more questions’ by highlighting differences in personality and privacy. The real skill is authentic curiosity plus reading cues—knowing when to pull back, share, or change pace to keep the interaction safe.

    • Some people love being asked questions; others feel invaded or interrogated
    • Quantity of questions matters less than genuine curiosity and intent
    • Read micro-cues of discomfort (leaning back, blocking, self-soothing)
    • You can ‘do over’ by adjusting pace and offering your own story
  12. 34:52 – 46:45

    Authenticity defined: intention matches action (and why ‘just be yourself’ can be cruel)

    Vanessa defines authenticity as alignment between what you want and what you do, warning that tactics can become manipulative if misaligned. She also challenges the advice to ‘be yourself’ when someone doesn’t like themselves, emphasizing skill-building as a path to self-acceptance.

    • Authenticity = intention matches action, words, and behavior
    • ‘Faking’ behaviors for respect can read as manipulative and backfire
    • ‘Just be yourself’ is unhelpful—and harmful if someone dislikes themselves
    • Micro-strengths help people find parts of themselves they can genuinely like
  13. 46:45 – 51:54

    The man who stayed: how love and stability helped Vanessa learn self-love

    Vanessa shares how her husband’s consistent presence—and candid feedback—helped her stop interpreting mistakes as proof she was unlovable. Feeling not alone created the base for social bravery, entrepreneurial risk-taking, and resilience through failures.

    • Her husband gave feedback (‘too much’) without abandoning her
    • Consistent support challenged the ‘no one stays’ narrative
    • A secure base enabled courage in business and social life
    • Failure (including a book that flopped) was survivable with support
  14. 51:54 – 55:25

    The antidote to awkwardness: service—help someone else feel normal

    Simon tells a coaching story illustrating that lasting change came when his struggling friend began helping him too. They conclude that generosity and service shift attention off the self, reduce overthinking, and create authentic connection—making service a practical solution to awkwardness.

    • Helping others reduces self-focus and anxiety during interactions
    • Service can be the fastest route to confidence and connection
    • If you can’t make friends, help someone else make a friend
    • At parties, approach the person alone; make them feel included
  15. 55:25 – 59:00

    Push your boundaries strategically: play to strengths, then expand your range

    They close by reframing ‘strengths vs weaknesses’ as context-dependent attributes and encouraging deliberate expansion. Start where you naturally perform well, but keep challenging yourself so avoidance doesn’t calcify into a restricted life.

    • Attributes show up as strengths or weaknesses depending on context
    • Choose environments (e.g., one-on-one vs crowds) where you’re strongest
    • Growth requires repeated exposure; one bad try isn’t a verdict
    • Strengths change over time with age, roles, and relationships

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