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Stanford Graduate School of Business59. From Dreaming to Doing: How We Set and Achieve Goals
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Why studying motivation: from advertising questions to academic research
Matt Abrahams introduces the show and guest Szu-chi Huang, then asks what drives her wide-ranging research interests. Huang explains how her experience in advertising sparked a deeper curiosity about how to motivate customer behavior, leading her into academia.
- •Communication and motivation are framed as central to influencing others and ourselves
- •Huang traces her motivation focus back to work at an advertising agency in Taiwan
- •A core early question: how to motivate customers to return and buy more
- •Realizing a lack of solid answers pushed her toward academic research
- •Her work expanded into goal pursuit, collaboration/competition, and technology’s impact on motivation
“Brains and Guts” of decision-making: needs as the foundation of behavior change
Huang describes her course co-taught with Jonathan Levav, where she focuses on the “gut” side as a motivation scientist. She emphasizes that shaping behavior starts with understanding the underlying needs driving decisions.
- •The course is co-led, with Levav covering “brains” and Huang covering “guts”
- •A central takeaway: decision-making is driven by needs
- •Organizations often oversimplify by focusing on a single assumed need
- •Nike is used to illustrate multiple needs beyond basic function
- •Motivation depends on matching the right need to the target audience
Needs are multi-layered: the Nike example of functional, social, and identity motives
Using Nike as an example, Huang shows how one product can satisfy many different needs simultaneously. This expands how communicators and marketers should think about what truly motivates an audience.
- •Shoes meet physiological needs like comfort and protection
- •Products can also satisfy self-esteem and social connection needs
- •Activities like jogging can support self-actualization and an “ideal self”
- •Effective messaging depends on identifying which need matters most to a given audience
- •Motivation is richer than a single product-benefit explanation
Emotionality in decisions: how feeling can matter more than review content
Huang highlights emotionality as a second major driver of decision-making tied to satisfied or dissatisfied needs. She describes research suggesting emotional tone can predict outcomes beyond the specific written content of reviews.
- •Need satisfaction tends to generate positive emotions; dissatisfaction fuels negative emotions
- •Emotionality is described as key in decision-making
- •Research is cited showing emotionality explains more variance than review content
- •Emotional tone is linked to predicting success across large-scale domains (movies, books, reservations)
- •Huang characterizes emotionality as a “gut reaction” shaping perception and behavior
Communication tie-in: audience needs and emotional signals shape interpretation
Matt connects Huang’s points to communication practice—starting from audience needs rather than the speaker’s message. They discuss how people often extract emotional meaning as a shortcut for evaluating information.
- •Matt links “know your audience” to uncovering multiple needs, not just one
- •He notes people often start communication from what they want to say instead of audience needs
- •They discuss how listeners decode emotion behind words, not just content
- •Matt shares how he reads reviews by focusing on how the reviewer felt
- •Huang emphasizes emotional connection as fundamental to human behavior
Information avoidance across the goal timeline: why benchmarks feel threatening mid-goal
Huang explains research on information avoidance in the context of abundant social information and constant comparison. She describes how people’s desire for social benchmarks changes depending on whether they’re starting, midway through, or near completion of a goal.
- •Modern social platforms provide constant benchmarks about others’ progress
- •Early in a new goal, people want others’ information to learn and model success
- •Late in pursuit, people may welcome comparisons because they feel confident
- •Midway through, insecurity rises and curiosity drops, making benchmarks feel threatening
- •The midpoint is described as the most vulnerable phase for motivation and comparison discomfort
Avoiding information can reduce motivation: resisting the urge to mute comparisons
Huang describes a key finding: when people avoid social information, they lose motivating benchmarks. She shares how she uses this insight personally, and Matt relates it to his own competitive tendencies and goal struggles.
- •Giving people the option to avoid information (mute, look away) can reduce motivation
- •Benchmarks that feel most uncomfortable may be most valuable for persistence
- •Huang uses the research as a personal reminder during stressful goal periods
- •Matt shares how seeing friends’ progress can trigger insecurity and avoidance
- •They discuss trying to use comparison as motivation rather than tuning it out
Designing motivating competitions: winning and losing motivate at different phases
Huang shifts to research on direct competition and zero-sum incentives. She explains that being ahead or behind can each be motivating, but at different stages of the competition.
- •Competition is described as increasing motivation and making goals more valuable
- •A key question: is it better to be ahead or behind?
- •Early stages: people look for signals they can win; otherwise they disengage
- •Late stages: being slightly behind can be motivating because it creates a clear target
- •If someone is ahead late, they may relax and underestimate opponents’ last push
Keeping winners engaged: shifting benchmarks using self-comparisons (donation drive example)
Huang shares an experiment from a used book donation competition between two campuses. She explains how changing the comparison target helped motivate both the trailing and leading groups.
- •A real-world donation competition is described across two campuses
- •Telling the losing group they were behind increased effort
- •To motivate the winning group, researchers avoided emphasizing “you’re winning”
- •They compared the winning campus to its own past performance (last year) to show it was slightly behind that benchmark
- •Self-comparison can create a motivating target even when someone is ahead versus peers
Dynamic feedback and attainability: tailoring motivation to person and timing
Building on competition insights, Huang and Matt discuss how feedback must change depending on where someone is in the process. Huang introduces her broader theme of temporal dynamics in goal pursuit—motivation isn’t static.
- •Matt highlights using different points of comparison to keep all participants motivated
- •Early loss can cause people to give up, making early-stage feedback crucial
- •Huang stresses the importance of an attainability signal early so people believe winning is possible
- •Different people need different feedback based on perceived skills and starting point
- •Temporal dynamics: motivation and effective feedback should shift as progress changes
Goal success as journey, not destination: sustaining behavior after achievement
Matt asks about research with Jennifer Aaker on a “journey mindset.” Huang explains that treating success only as reaching a destination can cause people to stop the behaviors that got them there, while reflecting on the journey helps sustain momentum.
- •Huang says goal success is often framed as a destination, which can end effort
- •Examples given: graduating and stopping learning; losing weight and stopping workouts
- •The research emphasizes thinking about success as a journey to support continuation
- •The “journey look” is described as looking backward at what you did right
- •Reflecting includes recognizing helpful actions and the people instrumental along the way
Rapid-fire communication takeaways: audience focus, evolving needs, and making it personal
In closing questions, Huang condenses her communication philosophy into memorable principles and names a communicator she admires. She returns repeatedly to knowing the audience, tailoring content, and adding personal connection.
- •Best advice slide: “Know your audience”
- •She adds that audiences evolve and change over time
- •She names Michelle Obama and cites clarity, confidence, elegance, and empathy
- •Three communication ingredients: know why the audience is listening, tailor content to them, and make it personal
- •Matt underscores that personal connection can be uncomfortable but increases impact
Wrap-up: motivation, timing, and tailoring communication
Matt summarizes major themes from the conversation and thanks Huang. The episode closes with show credits and where listeners can find more resources.
- •Matt recaps the importance of who you’re talking to, when, and how motivation shifts
- •He highlights tailoring motivational communication to individuals and timing
- •Huang is thanked for insights spanning motivation research and practical framing
- •Production credits are shared for the podcast episode
- •Listeners are invited to find resources and subscribe
