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Alex Honnold Interview | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)

Alex Honnold (@alexhonnold) is a professional adventure rock climber whose audacious free-solo (no ropes, no partner) ascents of America’s biggest cliffs have made him one of the most recognized and followed climbers in the world. Honnold is distinguished for his uncanny ability to control his fear while scaling cliffs of dizzying heights without a rope to protect him if he falls. His most celebrated achievements include the first and only free-solo of the Moonlight Buttress (5.12d, 1,200 feet) in Zion National Park, Utah, and the Northwest Face (5.12a) of Half Dome (2,200 feet), in Yosemite, California. Intro [00:00] The origin story of Alex Honnold [5:21] Different types of rock climbing [8:44] Why Alex was studying civil engineering [11:06] A favorite location [13:25] To climb full-time or be a ‘dirt-bag climber’ [14:35] Thoughts on the climbing industry and its popularity [17:43] Self-talk for preparing for a challenging climb [20:41] Philosophy and benefits of living simply [22:41] A funny “soloing” story [24:26] Eating habits [27:29] What happens when you have to take a shit on a big wall? [29:01] The surprising self-care that is available when free soloing [31:56] Alpinism and what it was like to be a beginner climber again [33:54] Alex’s climbing vs. Jimmy Chin’s? [35:51] Biggest climbing mentors [36:56] Important elements to becoming a good climber [37:36] The main ways to conserve energy when climbing [39:59] What do you worry about? [41:44] At what point do you stop working to make more money? [42:41] Do you get depressed? [47:16] Is there always a “what’s next?" for Alex? [48:47] Approaches to improving elbow health [51:16] Impressive climbers [52:40] Responsibility and influencing young climbers [55:05] On deciding to turn around and climb down [57:31] The real story about the Yosemite freak-out moment [59:25] Best and worst jobs and deciding to stop attending Berkeley [1:02:44] Favorite books [1:07:02] On evaluating risk and managing fear [1:09:06] Music for traveling and climbing [1:14:11] When Alex hears the word "successful," who comes to mind? [1:19:16] Food preparation and go-to dinners [1:22:26] Morning rituals [1:23:38] Benefits of living in a van [1:24:23] A recent purchase with a very positive impact [1:28:52] Lessons learned from climbing [1:29:56] At what climbing grades have you plateaued the most? [1:33:05] If Alex could no longer climb [1:35:42] What else are you world-class at? [1:36:50] Advice to your younger self [1:38:03] How Alex keeps his training journal [1:39:34] What would you like your life to look like in 10 years? [1:41:23] Pee bottles and how to live without a bathroom [1:41:49] Alex's billboard [1:43:28] What have you changed your mind about in recent history? [1:44:36] Connect with Alex Honnold: Like Alex Honnold on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AlexHonnold Follow Alex Honnold on Twitter: https://twitter.com/AlexHonnold Follow Alex Honnold on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/alexhonnold Assessing Risk and Living Without a Rope – Lessons from Alex Honnold Show Notes: https://tim.blog/2016/05/17/alex-honnold/ SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 200 million downloads and been selected for “Best of iTunes” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://bit.ly/2rYjUBr Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: http://bit.ly/17jDHw3 Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: http://on.fb.me/1avYUxq Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: http://bit.ly/17d94TE Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: http://bit.ly/2IfH37J

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 10:31

    Growing Up in Sacramento and Starting to Climb

    Tim Ferriss introduces Alex Honnold, then asks about his Sacramento childhood, his teacher parents, and how he started climbing in a gym at age 11. Honnold says he was never a gifted competitor and compares himself to Chris Sharma.

    • •Honnold grew up in Sacramento with parents who taught language
    • •His parents took him to a new climbing gym at about 11, and he went three to five times a week until 18
    • •He never won competitions and describes himself as not naturally strong
    • •He contrasts Chris Sharma's prodigy-level finger strength with his own low-intensity, long-distance style
    • •He explains the range of climbing types, from bouldering to alpine and big wall
  2. 10:31 – 14:59

    Engineering Dreams, Legos, and Family

    Honnold says he expected to become an engineer, since pro climbing barely existed when he started. He talks about civil engineering at Berkeley, his Lego habit, and his older sister's work.

    • •He assumed he'd have a normal job, like engineering
    • •He applied for civil engineering because an uncle was one and he liked building things
    • •He loved Legos and enjoyed destroying creations with his sister
    • •His older sister lives in Portland and does outdoor programs with youth
    • •He lists climbing hubs where he could live and says Portland is his favorite city
  3. 14:59 – 20:43

    Dirtbag Life, the Van, and the Climbing Industry

    Honnold explains what a dirtbag climber is and describes his van life and new Promaster build. He and Ferriss discuss criticism of sponsor money in climbing and what drives the sport's growth.

    • •A dirtbag is a lifestyle climber committed to the cause, which isn't negative in the community
    • •He lived in his old van for nine years and now has a Dodge Promaster built out by a friend
    • •He likes the industry, partly because it lets him climb all the time
    • •He thinks gyms near urban centers drive growth more than any single film
    • •He rejected a pitched 'ultimate solo' TV show as deadly
  4. 20:43 – 27:31

    Mental Prep, Minimalism, and the Borrowed Chalk Bag

    Honnold describes visualizing moves and rehearsing the sensation of fear before a hard climb. He explains why he lives simply, then tells the story of borrowing a chalk bag on the Yosemite Triple Linkup and distinguishes solo from free solo.

    • •He memorizes sequences and imagines exposed positions so nothing surprises him
    • •He has no comprehensive life philosophy but lives minimally to focus on climbing
    • •Free climbing means no gear to aid progress; free soloing means no gear and no partner
    • •He forgot his chalk bag on the Triple Linkup and borrowed one at Bolt Tower
    • •He left the borrowed bag at the top, tied to a tree, for its owner
  5. 27:31 – 33:42

    Eating on the Wall and the Epic Space Dump

    The conversation turns to eating habits and what climbers do about bodily needs on a wall. Honnold tells his story of pooping off a flake mid-route on Romantic Warrior and explains the self-care that happens on ledges.

    • •He eats a big breakfast, snacks through midday, and has a big dinner
    • •He told the Romantic Warrior story of needing to go mid free solo and traversing off the route
    • •He calls it a 'space dump' but says normally he'd be more responsible
    • •Even small ledges allow resting, drinking, eating and taking off shoes
    • •He carries food, water and approach shoes, favoring Z Bars and ShotBloks
  6. 33:42 – 41:44

    Alpinism, Mentors, and Training Advice

    Honnold explains alpinism and how he handles being a beginner by choosing complementary partners. He talks about heroes and gives advice on technique and avoiding tendon injuries.

    • •Alpinism means climbing big snowy or icy mountains in remote places
    • •He's a beginner at ice climbing and relies on experienced partners
    • •He had no mentors but looked up to Peter Croft, Chris Sharma and Tommy Caldwell
    • •Adults can build muscle faster than tendons can handle, risking injury
    • •Energy-saving climbing means staying balanced over the feet and keeping arms straight
  7. 41:44 – 49:48

    Struggles, Depression, and Money Beyond Climbing

    Ferriss asks what Honnold worries about and what he does with extra income. Honnold describes recent injuries, feeling flat or sometimes useless, and how the Honnold Foundation fits in.

    • •His stress comes from email, taxes and other real-life chores, not sleep worries
    • •His van-years overhead was about 10 to 15K a year, and he now gives roughly a third of his income through his foundation
    • •He fractured two vertebrae when dropped by a partner, then climbed in China anyway
    • •He tends to feel flat or somewhat depressed and uses feeling useless as motivation
    • •Climbing offers a long career span because of expeditions and first ascents
  8. 49:48 – 55:00

    Training, Joint Care, and Marc-André Leclerc

    Honnold covers warm-ups, exercise on the road, and preventing overuse injuries. He then names Marc-André Leclerc as the climber who impresses him most.

    • •He warms up gently and has stretched daily due to his back
    • •He prevents overuse injuries with antagonist work like pushups and by resting early
    • •Marc-André Leclerc's alpine soloing impresses him
    • •Honnold says Leclerc seems to jump a generation, often without video of his climbs
  9. 55:00 – 1:02:21

    Free Soloing's Influence and Fear on Half Dome

    Honnold responds to a question about influencing young climbers, arguing free soloing is self-regulating. He recounts backing off or getting lost on routes, then clarifies the Half Dome video moment and what really happened.

    • •He says he wasn't the first free-solo star, citing John Bachar
    • •He argues soloing is self-regulating because fear sets in quickly
    • •He has down-climbed or escaped routes, sometimes after misreading topos
    • •The Half Dome film clip combined later footage with voiceover from his earlier free solo
    • •On the original solo he hadn't rehearsed much and got scared hesitating on a foothold
  10. 1:02:21 – 1:08:47

    Leaving Berkeley, Mortality, and Books

    After a break, Honnold discusses his early jobs and why he left Berkeley, including his father's death. He then answers a hypothetical about predicting his death and discusses the books that changed his views.

    • •He worked at the climbing gym and did night security at Berkeley
    • •He took a semester off for the Youth World Cup, and his father died that summer
    • •He says he's about 50/50 between natural causes and a random climbing accident
    • •He'd direct money to off-grid solar and energy access projects
    • •Howard Zinn and Sacred Economics changed his views on politics and economics
  11. 1:08:47 – 1:19:12

    Assessing Risk, Fear, and Misconceptions

    Ferriss asks how Honnold assesses risk, and they discuss fear versus risk and how comfort on a route is built. They compare risk in startups, wingsuiting and free diving, and Honnold addresses the idea that he has a death wish.

    • •He usually climbs hard routes without fear and needs reserve beyond razor-thin margins
    • •Ferriss defines risk as the likelihood of an irreversible negative outcome, and Honnold agrees with this view
    • •He tried skydiving training but decided he didn't like it
    • •Friends including Dean Potter died wingsuiting
    • •He says people miss the years of preparation behind a short video
  12. 1:19:12 – 1:29:52

    Beliefs, Biographies, Food, and Daily Rhythms

    A run of lifestyle questions covers who inspires Honnold, his atheism, vegetarianism and simple van meals. He also describes his sleep habits, parking outside Ferriss's house, and his movie tastes.

    • •He cherry-picks lessons from biographies like Brad Washburn's instead of modeling himself on anyone
    • •He's strongly atheist and never believed the church stories
    • •He went vegetarian for environmental reasons and eats simple van meals
    • •He sleeps eight to ten hours and slept in his van in front of Ferriss's house
    • •He prefers fluffy Hollywood action movies, and Ferriss describes his repeat-movie writing habit
  13. 1:29:52 – 1:37:59

    Fear as a Skill, Plateaus, and Training Volume

    Honnold explains how climbing taught him to separate fear from actual danger. He discusses his mid-5.14 plateau, what harder climbing would take, and his heavy training hours.

    • •Climbing taught him to separate feelings of fear from real danger, treating fear like hunger
    • •He has plateaued at mid-5.14 for years because expeditions don't build fitness
    • •He'd need more finger strength work and focused hard climbing to reach 9a
    • •He holds speed records on most major Yosemite formations
    • •He averaged about 27 hours of exercise per week last year and keeps a training journal
  14. 1:37:59 – 1:52:14

    Looking Ahead, Changed Views, and Wrap-Up

    Honnold gives advice to his younger self and imagines his life in ten years. He discusses van logistics, how he's changed politically, how friends might describe him, and where to find him online.

    • •He'd tell his 18-year-old self to skip college and just climb
    • •In ten years he'd like a family and a solid home base
    • •He uses a pee bottle and describes its natural life cycle
    • •He moved from Ayn Rand-style views to being more compassionate on a societal level
    • •He posts on his Facebook fan page about environmental issues and climbing

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