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Tim FerrissDerek Sivers Interview (Full Episode) | The Tim Ferriss Show (Podcast)
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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Derek Sivers on Saying No, Simplicity, and Distilling Wisdom
- Sivers describes how saying yes to small early gigs, such as a pig show, led to ten years as a circus emcee, and how mentors Tarleton and Kimo Williams shaped his confidence and his habit of questioning the standard path.
- He explains how CD Baby grew from favors for musician friends into a simple business, with a $35 setup fee and $4 per CD, that he ran for ten years while refusing investors and buyout offers.
- Sivers lays out his 'hell yeah or no' rule, his bike-ride lesson that relaxing yielded nearly the same result, and how he made himself unnecessary at CD Baby by teaching his philosophy to employees.
- He shares his system of taking detailed notes on every book he reads and his 'Do This' project, which compresses wisdom into directives on being useful to others and thriving in an unknowable future.
- The two close with stoic practices, advice not to be like Buridan's donkey by pursuing goals serially over decades, and quick-fire picks including books, billboards, and hip hop.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasEarly in a career, say yes to everything
Sivers says a $75 pig show gig led to a ten-year circus career and a decade of stage experience, because small gigs are lottery tickets you can't evaluate in advance.
Perform for the audience, not for yourself
Circus leader Tarleton told him to give people what they came for. Sivers applies this to stage work, interviews, and advice to TED speakers: it isn't about you.
Effort beyond a point yields little
On his Santa Monica bike path, going at half effort took 45 minutes versus 43 at full effort, so he concluded that most of the stress bought only two extra minutes and now stops before things become stressful.
Respond to demand rather than creating it
Sivers says CD Baby and his barcode service grew from friends' requests and a 'co-op' model, and that he has never tried to create demand, only to answer calls for help.
Say no to almost everything to be free for what excites you
His 'hell yeah or no' rule, prompted by a friend's remark about an Australia trip, left him enough time to throw himself into the Now Now Now project for six weeks when it appeared.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesI realized that if you trust the source, you don't need the arguments, that so, so much of a book is arguing its point.
— Derek Sivers
Busy to me seems to imply, like, out of control.
— Derek Sivers
Most of us say yes to too much stuff, and then we let these little mediocre things fill our lives.
— Derek Sivers
I do things, but I stop before anything gets stressful.
— Derek Sivers
A little story like that can replace 20 pages of an employee handbook.
— Derek Sivers
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