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Richard Schwartz — IFS, Psychedelic Experiences without Drugs, and More | The Tim Ferriss Show

Richard Schwartz — IFS, Psychedelic Experiences without Drugs, and Finding Inner Peace for Our Many Parts | Brought to you by Helix Sleep (http://helixsleep.com/tim), LinkedIn Jobs (http://linkedin.com/tim), Athletic Greens (http://athleticgreens.com/tim). Show Notes: https://tim.blog/2021/01/14/richard-schwartz-internal-family-systems/#more-54276 Richard Schwartz is on the faculty of the department of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. He began his career as a family therapist and an academic at the University of Illinois at Chicago, where he discovered that family therapy alone did not achieve full symptom relief. In asking patients why, he learned that they were plagued by what they called “parts.” These patients became his teachers as they described how their parts formed networks of inner relationships that resembled the families he had been working with. He also found that as they focused on and, thereby, separated from their parts, they would shift into a state characterized by qualities like curiosity, calm, confidence, and compassion. He called that inner essence the Self and was amazed to find it even in severely diagnosed and traumatized patients. From these explorations, the Internal Family Systems (IFS) model was born in the early 1980s. IFS is now evidence based and has become a widely used form of psychotherapy, particularly with trauma. It provides a non-pathologizing, optimistic, and empowering perspective and a practical and effective set of techniques for working with individuals, couples, families, and—more recently—corporations and classrooms. Please enjoy! SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW LINK TO ALL SHOW TRANSCRIPTS: https://tim.blog/2018/09/20/all-transcripts-from-the-tim-ferriss-show/ About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 500 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/ Start [00:00] The aftermath from sharing my story of childhood abuse with the world [08:24] How Richard first conceived of the “parts” that became foundational to IFS [15:18] IFS as a non-pathologizing therapy [22:38] A brief overview of IFS [29:11] IFS as similar to psychedelics in how it prompts self-discovery [37:30] Richard guides me through a spontaneous IFS session. [40:01] A post-game analysis of our session [1:04:41] Applications for suicidal ideation [1:09:55] “The curious paradox is that when I accept myself just as I am, then I change.” —Carl Rogers [1:16:15] Could IFS prepare someone for a psychedelic experience? [1:17:38] How can someone make IFS a daily practice? [1:23:49] When couples experience a “protector war” and how to resolve it [1:27:56] What are trailheads, and how can they lead us toward a breakthrough? [1:34:27] Resources to further explore IFS (These can be found at the top of the show notes at https://tim.blog/2021/01/14/richard-schwartz-internal-family-systems/#more-54276.) [1:36:25] Parting thoughts. [1:39:23]

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Jan 22, 20211h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Richard Schwartz explains Internal Family Systems and demonstrates it live with Tim

  1. Tim Ferriss opens by describing the aftermath of his episode disclosing childhood sexual abuse, including a flood of anger, friends confiding their own abuse, and his pride in having published it.
  2. Richard Schwartz recounts how IFS emerged in the early 1980s from bulimic clients describing 'parts', one of whom had a part that cut her until he stopped coercing it and got curious.
  3. Schwartz lays out the model: exiles hold hurt and burdens, managers and firefighters protect against them, and a calm, compassionate Self exists in everyone and knows how to heal.
  4. Schwartz guides Tim through a live session on his anxiety that leads to an abused childhood part, which Tim describes as feeling psychedelic and which reduced the throat constriction from about an eight to a two.
  5. The conversation extends to suicidal parts, preparing for and integrating psychedelic experiences, daily practice, couples' 'protector wars', trailheads, and resources for learning IFS.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Symptoms are protective parts, not pathology

Schwartz says behaviors like cutting, bingeing, or drinking began as heroic protection when a person was being hurt, and the parts remain stuck in that time, believing the danger continues.

Everyone has a Self that can lead the healing

Schwartz says that when protective parts step back, qualities such as curiosity, calm, compassion, and confidence emerge, and in his experience this Self cannot be damaged and knows how to heal.

Befriending a part works better than fighting it

In the demo, Tim wanted his anxious part gone and felt angry at it. Once those reactive parts stepped back, he felt empathy and the part revealed it was a scared, confused child trying not to mess things up.

Healing exiles involves witnessing, retrieval, and unburdening

Schwartz describes witnessing how bad it was, going back to be with the child and do what he needed, taking him to a safe place, and releasing burdens to an element such as fire.

Suicidal parts can be approached as protectors

Schwartz says that when asked, such parts typically want a painful loop to stop, and most would give up wanting to die if another way of stopping it were offered.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

for me, it's the natural state of the mind to be multiple, to be-- to have these parts, and they're all valuable. We wouldn't be born with anything that wasn't valuable.

— Richard Schwartz

I can safely say that that Self, capital S, is in everybody, can't be damaged, and knows how to heal, and can be accessed simply by getting these parts to open space, 'cause it seems it's just beneath the surface of them.

— Richard Schwartz

So I'm what I call a hope merchant. I'm selling hope to hopeless systems.

— Richard Schwartz

the things that we view in ourselves as totally fucked up, totally self-destructive, totally fill-in-the-blank pejorative term, very often are not maladaptive. They are perfectly adaptive. They've just outlived their usefulness or they've, they've kind of expired, but they still remain

— Tim Ferriss

any kind of symptom becomes that, becomes a trailhead that'll take us to a pot of gold, really.

— Richard Schwartz

Aftermath of Tim's trauma episodeOrigins of IFS and the bulimia clientExiles, managers, firefighters, and SelfLive IFS demonstrationSuicidal parts and hopeIFS and psychedelic experiencesCouples and protector wars

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