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What Now? With Trevor NoahCarter Sherman: How Shame Became the New Sex Ed
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At a glance
WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Shame, politics, porn, and platforms reshaping Gen Z’s sex lives
- The episode reframes the so-called “Gen Z sex recession” as less about declining sex and more about rising fear, isolation, and reduced practice with vulnerability, rejection, and real-life connection.
- Sherman argues U.S. sex education is structurally incoherent—often abstinence-driven and pleasure-avoidant—pushing young people to use porn and peers as default teachers.
- The conversation explores how porn and algorithmic media can normalize scripted, rough, and sometimes unsafe behaviors (e.g., choking) while omitting communication, consent talk, and emotional nuance.
- They connect sexual norms to political projects: abstinence-only funding and “1950s family” fantasies, post-Roe anxiety, and the politicization of consent and Title IX processes.
- Social media feedback loops and image tools (likes, filters, dating apps) intensify self-objectification and insecurity, which can reduce in-person dating and make intimacy feel like another arena for judgment and shame.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasThe “sex recession” headline hides the real crisis: intimacy skills and emotional safety.
Sherman and Noah argue the key issue isn’t how often young people have sex but whether they can build connection—risk rejection, communicate needs, and tolerate awkwardness without shame.
U.S. sex ed often teaches risk without teaching relationships or pleasure.
Even in relatively liberal settings, sex is frequently framed as danger (STIs, pregnancy, trauma) with little instruction on communication, desire, boundaries, or how to have healthy relationships.
Abstinence-only programs function as cultural engineering, not neutral health policy.
Sherman cites over $2B in abstinence-only spending since 2000 and links it to enforcing a narrow “good family” ideal (often modeled on a white, 1950s nuclear-family fantasy).
When porn fills the education vacuum, “normal” gets defined by performance scripts.
Porn may be entertainment, but it rarely models negotiation, humor, awkwardness, checking in, or consent—so young people can internalize expectations (including roughness) without the tools to manage them safely.
Rough sex normalization is less the problem than the missing consent conversation.
Practices like choking appear more common among under-40s; the episode stresses that the danger is frequency without explicit consent and safety knowledge, not moral condemnation of the kink itself.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesSex ed here in the United States is nonsense and confusion because it teaches you how to be safe, but not the pleasures, and porn teaches you the pleasures, sort of, but not how to be safe.
— Carter Sherman
I was pathologically obsessed with my own virginity. I was so upset to be a 17-year-old virgin. I thought I was the last 17-year-old virgin on the planet.
— Carter Sherman
What I care about is whether or not they are willing to be vulnerable, whether or not they learn skills like how to risk rejection and how to handle rejection.
— Carter Sherman
The ability to communicate, having a sense of humor, a willingness to be awkward. 'Cause, like, let's be honest, sex, in addition to being kinda fun, is usually fairly inelegant.
— Carter Sherman
Reality is always in the middle.
— Carter Sherman
SPEAKERS
Carter Sherman
guestReproductive health and justice reporter at The Guardian and author of "The Second Coming."
Trevor Noah
hostComedian and host of "What Now? With Trevor Noah."
Eugene
hostCo-host on "What Now? With Trevor Noah."
Carter Sherman
cameoReproductive health and justice reporter at The Guardian and author of "The Second Coming."
Eugene
hostCo-host on "What Now? With Trevor Noah."
Eugene
hostCo-host on "What Now? With Trevor Noah."
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