If I Ruled the World: Tressie McMillan Cottom Throws Down | What Now? with Trevor Noah Podcast

1. 0:00 – 0:04

   Intro

   1. CHChristiana0:00

      [upbeat music]

2. 0:04 – 0:31

   Will Trevor Run for Office? Cold Open

   1. CHChristiana0:04

      I think he's gonna run for office in South Africa.

   2. TNTrevor Noah0:05

      When, when I was-

   3. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:06

      Okay. Can I tell you-

   4. CHChristiana0:06

      That's my prediction

   5. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:07

      ... I told him that the first time I met him

   6. CHChristiana0:07

      ... Trevor's gonna be president.

   7. TNTrevor Noah0:08

      No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

   8. CHChristiana0:09

      Trevor, Trevor's gonna be the president of South Africa.

   9. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:10

      Trevor, you won't remember this, but I said, "So what, you're gonna go home and run for office?"

   10. TNTrevor Noah0:14

       No, no, no, no.

   11. CHChristiana0:14

       Yeah, yeah.

   12. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:14

       And you went, "What?"

   13. TNTrevor Noah0:15

       No, no, no.

   14. CHChristiana0:15

       He's gonna be the, he's gonna be the president of South Africa.

   15. TNTrevor Noah0:17

       No, no, no, no, no.

   16. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:17

       See-

   17. CHChristiana0:18

       Zelensky used to be a comedian

   18. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:20

       ... I-

   19. TNTrevor Noah0:21

       Yes

   20. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:21

       ... did not-

   21. TNTrevor Noah0:21

       And look at his life now

   22. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:22

       ... holy. [laughs]

   23. CHChristiana0:23

       [laughs]

   24. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:23

       Okay.

   25. TNTrevor Noah0:24

       Look at his life now.

   26. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:24

       Maybe not a good, maybe not a good example. [upbeat music]

3. 0:31 – 4:39

   The Rules of 'If I Ruled the World'

   1. TNTrevor Noah0:31

      This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. [upbeat music] Well, all right. You ready to play some If I Ruled the World?

   2. TCTressie McMillan Cottom0:46

      I'm ready.

   3. TNTrevor Noah0:47

      All right. Let's do it. This is one of my favorite games to play with people, and there are few people in the world-

   4. CHChristiana0:53

      [laughs]

   5. TNTrevor Noah0:54

      ... who are more my favorite than Tressie McMillan Cottom.

   6. CHChristiana0:57

      Tressie, Tressie, Tressie.

   7. TNTrevor Noah0:58

      I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. So what I love about playing the game If I Ruled the World is oftentimes we think about the world in a gradual way, and I think sometimes as people we get bogged down in what we perceive possibility to be.

   8. CHChristiana1:11

      Oh, yeah.

   9. TNTrevor Noah1:11

      Right?

   10. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:11

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   11. TNTrevor Noah1:12

       And so I love playing the game for myself and for other people because I think it's good to remind ourselves that everything is possible if you don't think that it's impossible, and you cannot even get to it if you think it's not. Does that make sense?

   12. CHChristiana1:23

       Mm-hmm.

   13. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:23

       Yep.

   14. TNTrevor Noah1:24

       So y- y- it's impossible to fly, but someone goes like, "But maybe it isn't."

   15. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:28

       Yeah.

   16. TNTrevor Noah1:28

       And then one day you're flying, right?

   17. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:30

       Mm-hmm.

   18. CHChristiana1:30

       Yeah.

   19. TNTrevor Noah1:30

       We, so we don't know. And not everything is possible, but everything's impossible if you don't try to get there. So If I Ruled the World is a very simple game that we play. Uh, everyone gets a chance to say what they would do if they ruled the world. And when I mean ruled the world, don't get bogged down. Don't worry about bureaucracy.

   20. CHChristiana1:44

       [laughs]

   21. TNTrevor Noah1:45

       Don't worry about, like, people coming after you or not coming after you. Don't worry about voting. Everyone develops amnesia.

   22. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:50

       They're gonna love you.

   23. CHChristiana1:50

       Yeah.

   24. TNTrevor Noah1:50

       No, they develop amnesia.

   25. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:51

       Okay.

   26. TNTrevor Noah1:52

       So they won't go, "But it used to be like this."

   27. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:54

       Uh-huh.

   28. CHChristiana1:54

       Yeah.

   29. TNTrevor Noah1:54

       No, it is not like that.

   30. TCTressie McMillan Cottom1:55

       Okay.
4. 4:39 – 8:55

   Christiana's Monthly Word Limit for Online Text

   1. TNTrevor Noah4:39

      All right.

   2. CHChristiana4:40

      All right. So If I Ruled the World, in my crypto fascist state, I would put a restriction on the amount a person is allowed to contribute to the public discourse in text.

   3. TCTressie McMillan Cottom4:52

      Oh. [laughs]

   4. CHChristiana4:52

      So you have a limited amount of words-

   5. TCTressie McMillan Cottom4:55

      Shots fired

   6. CHChristiana4:56

      ... per month you can contribute to the ... And it doesn't matter the platform.

   7. TNTrevor Noah4:59

      Every time I think I know how crazy Christiana is-

   8. CHChristiana5:01

      [laughs]

   9. TNTrevor Noah5:02

      ... this woman surprises me.

   10. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:03

       Wow.

   11. CHChristiana5:03

       I thought this through, guys.

   12. TNTrevor Noah5:04

       Keep going. Okay.

   13. CHChristiana5:05

       You, we need to put ... So there's freedom of speech in the real world.

   14. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:09

       Mm-hmm.

   15. CHChristiana5:09

       But when it comes to freedom of text, there is restriction.

   16. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:13

       [laughs] Freedom of text.

   17. CHChristiana5:13

       There is not freedom of text.

   18. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:15

       This call-

   19. TNTrevor Noah5:15

       Okay. Okay

   20. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:16

       ... this carve out freedom of text, that's, that's interesting.

   21. TNTrevor Noah5:17

       This is, this is interesting.

   22. CHChristiana5:19

       Restriction.

   23. TNTrevor Noah5:19

       So I, okay.

   24. CHChristiana5:19

       Remember the, the white man said, "The pen is mightier than the sword" for a reason.

   25. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:22

       Yes. Yes.

   26. TNTrevor Noah5:22

       Okay. Okay, fine. And that guy was stabbed by the sword afterwards.

   27. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:26

       [laughs]

   28. TNTrevor Noah5:26

       But okay. Let's, okay. I have a question, but I mean, please.

   29. TCTressie McMillan Cottom5:29

       Okay. How are you going to ... Because arguably everything now is text, right?

   30. CHChristiana5:33

       Yeah.
5. 8:55 – 18:33

   Paid Influence, Bots, and Why the Word Cap Fails

   1. TNTrevor Noah8:55

      Yeah, I'm, I'm gonna, this is a, a no for me, because I don't think you're solving the issue you're trying to solve. So understanding how a lot of the social discourse has been shaped in America and around the world I think is very important for people. We really saw this around Black Lives Matter.

   2. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:10

      Mm-hmm.

   3. TNTrevor Noah9:11

      Right? Most people still do not know that most of the memes and the tweets and the posts that they saw came from Russia.

   4. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:21

      Mm.

   5. TNTrevor Noah9:21

      Right?

   6. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:22

      Mm-hmm.

   7. TNTrevor Noah9:22

      Now, I'm not saying this as like a Hillary and the Russ- No, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying on, like, a very simple level.

   8. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:27

      Yeah.

   9. TNTrevor Noah9:27

      They found a lever that they could pull. In the same way North Korea has focused on hacking crypto.

   10. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:32

       Yes.

   11. TNTrevor Noah9:32

       Like, North Korea, I don't, most people don't even, like, know this.

   12. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:35

       Mm.

   13. TNTrevor Noah9:35

       North Korea has gone on, like, a very concerted mission to hack crypto-

   14. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:38

       Train big farms

   15. TNTrevor Noah9:38

       ... wallets around the world.

   16. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:40

       That's right, yeah.

   17. TNTrevor Noah9:40

       And they've gone, "Oh, this money's untraceable."

   18. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:43

       Mm-hmm.

   19. TNTrevor Noah9:43

       "But it's usable everywhere, and it's really powerful."

   20. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:45

       Mm.

   21. TNTrevor Noah9:46

       "And when you steal it, no one can come after you."

   22. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:48

       That's right.

   23. TNTrevor Noah9:48

       So North Korea's gone out. They steal tons of crypto everywhere in the world.

   24. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:52

       Yeah.

   25. TNTrevor Noah9:53

       And no one can, like, do anything about it, 'cause you can't, like, really prove it's them, and it's, and they can use it.

   26. TCTressie McMillan Cottom9:59

       Mm.

   27. TNTrevor Noah9:59

       You can't, like, stop them, okay? The same thing happened in and around social media. There were all these farms that were produced-

   28. TCTressie McMillan Cottom10:06

       Mm-hmm

   29. TNTrevor Noah10:07

       ... in and around Russia, and even in, like, parts of Ukraine, if my memory serves me correctly, right? And, like, basically what they did was they just came after Americans.

   30. TCTressie McMillan Cottom10:14

       Mm-hmm.
6. 18:33 – 24:42

   Trevor's Pitch: Abolish Quarterly Earnings Reports

   1. TNTrevor Noah18:33

      Okay, If I Ruled the World-

   2. CHChristiana18:34

      Mm-hmm

   3. TNTrevor Noah18:35

      ... I would abolish quarterly earnings-

   4. CHChristiana18:38

      Mm-hmm

   5. TNTrevor Noah18:39

      ... that companies report on.

   6. CHChristiana18:40

      Mm-hmm.

   7. TNTrevor Noah18:41

      And I would probably extend it even further than, like, companies wouldn't be able to report on their earnings for, like, maybe, like, a few years, actually.

   8. CHChristiana18:48

      Mm-hmm.

   9. TNTrevor Noah18:48

      Like, no, no reporting at all from any company.

   10. CHChristiana18:52

       Mm.

   11. TNTrevor Noah18:53

       They wouldn't be ... They'd just be like-

   12. CHChristiana18:54

       Mm-hmm

   13. TNTrevor Noah18:54

       ... we just run, run, run, run, run, run.

   14. CHChristiana18:56

       So the, like, the S&P 500, we wouldn't know what's going on with those companies?

   15. TNTrevor Noah18:59

       Yeah, no, though, you wouldn't know their earnings. Like, so-

   16. CHChristiana19:01

       Ah

   17. TNTrevor Noah19:01

       ... you know, like, right now it's quarterly.

   18. CHChristiana19:02

       Yeah. Yeah.

   19. TNTrevor Noah19:03

       Quarterly earnings report.

   20. CHChristiana19:04

       Yeah, like, yeah.

   21. TNTrevor Noah19:04

       It's gone.

   22. CHChristiana19:04

       Chrysler made 300 million.

   23. TNTrevor Noah19:05

       No more quarterly earnings.

   24. CHChristiana19:06

       Uh-huh.

   25. TNTrevor Noah19:07

       And I would even extend it to maybe, like, two to three years maybe.

   26. CHChristiana19:11

       Wow.

   27. TNTrevor Noah19:11

       Like, every three years they could report their earnings, right?

   28. CHChristiana19:14

       [laughs] Mm-hmm. Okay.

   29. TNTrevor Noah19:15

       And I'll tell you why.

   30. CHChristiana19:16

       Okay. Mm-hmm.
7. 24:42 – 29:52

   Casino Economy, 401(k)s, and the Vote on Earnings

   1. TCTressie McMillan Cottom24:42

      So I think the, the issue here is the way that quarterly earnings have changed our understanding of the world, even if you aren't in the market.

   2. TNTrevor Noah24:50

      Yes.

   3. TCTressie McMillan Cottom24:51

      Right?

   4. TNTrevor Noah24:51

      That's what I'm-

   5. TCTressie McMillan Cottom24:52

      Which I agree is a huge problem

   6. TNTrevor Noah24:53

      ... that's what I'm saying. So-

   7. TCTressie McMillan Cottom24:53

      I think this is like something you said to me once, by the way, Christiana, which I love now using, uh, which is it gives you this, like, casino economy.

   8. TNTrevor Noah25:02

      That's exactly what I mean.

   9. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:02

      Remember that?

   10. TNTrevor Noah25:02

       Yeah.

   11. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:02

       Right, that you're constantly in a cycle of risk and loss, and-

   12. CHChristiana25:05

       Mm-hmm.

   13. TNTrevor Noah25:05

       That's what I mean, yes

   14. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:06

       ... you're chasing both the dopamine and the possibility.

   15. TNTrevor Noah25:08

       And it's making people think things are worse-

   16. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:10

       And it's, most of it's manufactured

   17. TNTrevor Noah25:10

       ... or better, or when it's, but it's not.

   18. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:12

       That's right.

   19. TNTrevor Noah25:12

       It's true.

   20. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:12

       It's not a sign of quality.

   21. TNTrevor Noah25:13

       It's, it's like judging a rollercoaster on every different slope.

   22. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:16

       Yeah.

   23. TNTrevor Noah25:16

       You know what I mean?

   24. CHChristiana25:17

       Well, I tr- List- listen, I'm on schwab.com all the time. [laughs]

   25. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:19

       Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

   26. TNTrevor Noah25:21

       That's, that's what I'm saying.

   27. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:21

       And I think part of your tension is that that also happened at the same time, the quarterly earnings-

   28. TNTrevor Noah25:26

       Yes

   29. TCTressie McMillan Cottom25:27

       ... change in our understanding of the world happened at the same time that all of a sudden we were all forced into the market. 'Cause the problem is our houses shouldn't be assets.

   30. CHChristiana25:34

       Yeah.
8. 29:52 – 34:57

   Tressie's Pitch: A National Job Corps for Customer Service

   1. TCTressie McMillan Cottom29:52

      If I ruled the world, there would be a national job corps for customer service jobs. Everybody would be conscripted into working in customer service for some period of time in their life for them to go on to the rest of the labor market, and let me tell you why. We have talked about Job Corps before, about, like, going and doing the jobs that matter to the economy, but it's not the jobs our economy actually does, right? This is a customer service. This is a service-based economy, and what's happened in that, I think has helped fuel, by the way, political polarization, is depending on how much money or status you have, you can buy your way out. Of having to engage f- with customer service to get the stuff you need.

   2. TNTrevor Noah30:38

      Hmm.

   3. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:38

      You know it. How many of us go to the airport now and by- I do, I bypass all of the lines, and if they come up with a new tier, I'm getting that one, too.

   4. TNTrevor Noah30:47

      You're damn right.

   5. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:47

      I want out of all of it.

   6. TNTrevor Noah30:48

      TSA PreCheck Clear-

   7. CHChristiana30:50

      Clear

   8. TNTrevor Noah30:50

      ... Plus.

   9. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:51

      That's right.

   10. CHChristiana30:51

       [laughs]

   11. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:51

       I want Clear Plus Plus Plus.

   12. TNTrevor Noah30:52

       Clear Plus Advanced.

   13. CHChristiana30:53

       Global, Global Entry.

   14. TNTrevor Noah30:54

       Global-

   15. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:54

       Oh, absolutely

   16. TNTrevor Noah30:54

       ... Global, Global Entry.

   17. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:55

       And they give you both numbers at the same time-

   18. TNTrevor Noah30:57

       Yes

   19. TCTressie McMillan Cottom30:57

       ... and ask you which one gets me through faster.

   20. TNTrevor Noah31:00

       Mm-hmm.

   21. CHChristiana31:00

       Yeah.

   22. TCTressie McMillan Cottom31:00

       Like, I'm shaking-

   23. CHChristiana31:01

       Yeah

   24. TCTressie McMillan Cottom31:01

       ... a bit, the TSA thing, right? Get me through. But I do think that what that has done is, means, it's kinda like the loss of public transportation. It's the loss of any public square. There are people experiencing this country now from a very myopic view.

   25. CHChristiana31:17

       Mm.

   26. TCTressie McMillan Cottom31:17

       'Cause we all do this. We extrapolate our everyday experiences and go, "Oh, that's how the world works."

   27. TNTrevor Noah31:22

       Yes, yes.

   28. TCTressie McMillan Cottom31:22

       "That's how the country works." Well now, some people's world actually works like a airport lounge, where everything is smooth, and they're like, "What do you mean? America's great. What are you talking about?" Right?

   29. CHChristiana31:33

       Mm.

   30. TCTressie McMillan Cottom31:33

       But you know who always knows that things aren't great? The people who have to actually provide the customer service.
9. 34:57 – 41:56

   Hairdressers, Retail Memories, and 'Hurt People Hurt People'

   1. CHChristiana34:57

      What about, what about hairdressers? 'Cause I have a f- good friend, Vernon-

   2. TCTressie McMillan Cottom34:59

      Oh

   3. CHChristiana34:59

      ... who's an incredible hairdresser.

   4. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:00

      Oh, no, because we can't have people out here just messing, uh, folks' hairs up.

   5. TNTrevor Noah35:04

      [laughs]

   6. CHChristiana35:04

      [laughs]

   7. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:05

      No, I'm not trying to ruin no kinda, like-

   8. CHChristiana35:08

      Tressie's like-

   9. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:08

      Oh, oh

   10. CHChristiana35:09

       ... "Well, well, I was gonna say, um-"

   11. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:10

       Oh, no. [laughs] That is-

   12. CHChristiana35:12

       Oh, wow

   13. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:12

       ... that is skill-based.

   14. CHChristiana35:14

       Okay. Well, well, I was gonna say, I have a friend called Vernon Francois, who's amazing celebrity hairstylist.

   15. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:19

       Mm-hmm.

   16. CHChristiana35:19

       But he has, like, lots of clients who aren't celebrities, and he said something to me interesting. He was like, "You know, I'm, I'm in service work."

   17. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:24

       That's right.

   18. CHChristiana35:25

       He's like, "I use my body."

   19. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:26

       Mm-hmm.

   20. TNTrevor Noah35:26

       Yes.

   21. CHChristiana35:26

       And he's like, "People don't think of it as, like, a physical-

   22. TNTrevor Noah35:29

       Yes, yes, yes

   23. CHChristiana35:29

       ... really labo- laborious job."

   24. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:30

       Yeah.

   25. CHChristiana35:30

       "I use my body, and I'm very attuned to the client's emotions."

   26. TCTressie McMillan Cottom35:35

       That's right.

   27. TNTrevor Noah35:35

       Yes.

   28. CHChristiana35:35

       "And s- whatever the client is, I have to be responsive to them. And when I leave work, I'm drained, even if it's somebody that I really enjoy."

   29. TNTrevor Noah35:43

       Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

   30. CHChristiana35:43

       And I never thought about his work, so I think there's, like-
10. 41:56 – 45:35

    Draft Details and Trevor's Re-Up Suggestion

    1. TNTrevor Noah41:56

       Okay. Um-

    2. TCTressie McMillan Cottom41:56

       And I might even be the one assigning it. I haven't gone that far, but the more I think about it, the more I like that idea.

    3. CHChristiana42:01

       Okay. Okay.

    4. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:01

       But yes, you're going to a draft.

    5. TNTrevor Noah42:02

       Would you, this is me pitching for you to win my vote.

    6. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:05

       Okay.

    7. TNTrevor Noah42:05

       Would you consider making it something that people have to, like, go back and re-up after a certain amount of time? I only say this because-

    8. CHChristiana42:13

       Ha, you may lose me there, oh. [laughs]

    9. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:16

       [laughs]

    10. TNTrevor Noah42:17

        I'll tell you why.

    11. CHChristiana42:17

        Trevor having to come back again.

    12. TNTrevor Noah42:18

        I'll tell you why.

    13. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:19

        It all came out. [laughs]

    14. CHChristiana42:20

        Having to come back. Oh, no, no, no, no, Trevor, no.

    15. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:23

        You cannot go back to that department.

    16. TNTrevor Noah42:24

        Wait, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I think when young people go into these lines of work-

    17. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:30

        Mm-hmm

    18. TNTrevor Noah42:31

        ... they process it differently. It's almost like a hobby jobby thing.

    19. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:35

        I hear you.

    20. TNTrevor Noah42:35

        So, like, I've seen college kids/high school kids working at, like, a place where something doesn't work. You, like-

    21. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:42

        Mm

    22. TNTrevor Noah42:42

        ... even if someone's berating them, these kids are just like, "Whatever" They're like, "What?"

    23. CHChristiana42:46

        Okay. Yeah

    24. TNTrevor Noah42:47

        'Cause they, they get shouted at by teachers and parents-

    25. CHChristiana42:49

        Yeah

    26. TNTrevor Noah42:49

        ... and whatnot.

    27. CHChristiana42:49

        You know, there's a point

    28. TCTressie McMillan Cottom42:50

        And, and that they, they-

    29. TNTrevor Noah42:51

        They, they go like-

    30. CHChristiana42:52

        Yeah, that's a point
11. 45:35 – 50:23

    The Vote: Tressie Wins and Closing Reflections

    1. TNTrevor Noah45:35

       Yeah, that's what I mean. So people, we live in a world where people don't say, "Man-

    2. TCTressie McMillan Cottom45:39

       I'm ready

    3. TNTrevor Noah45:39

       ... this neighborhood sucks. We've gotta fix it." They go, "This neighborhood sucks. I gotta get out."

    4. TCTressie McMillan Cottom45:44

       Get out.

    5. CHChristiana45:45

       Yeah. That's it. True.

    6. TNTrevor Noah45:46

       That's what people say.

    7. CHChristiana45:47

       Yep.

    8. TNTrevor Noah45:47

       And then I go, like, I even feel like that with Americans.

    9. TCTressie McMillan Cottom45:49

       Mm-hmm.

    10. TNTrevor Noah45:50

        When, whenever an election doesn't go the way they want, they go, "I'm leaving this country."

    11. TCTressie McMillan Cottom45:54

        Yeah.

    12. TNTrevor Noah45:54

        And then I'll often say to them, I'll go, "Yo, first of all, what a crazy privilege you have-

    13. CHChristiana45:59

        Yeah

    14. TNTrevor Noah45:59

        ... that you think you can just, like, go anywhere in the world-

    15. CHChristiana46:01

        Mm, yeah

    16. TNTrevor Noah46:01

        ... whenever you want to because it's not going the way you like," right?

    17. TCTressie McMillan Cottom46:04

        Mm-hmm.

    18. TNTrevor Noah46:04

        But also, where's-

    19. TCTressie McMillan Cottom46:06

        Leave

    20. TNTrevor Noah46:06

        ... like, where's your gusto to say-

    21. CHChristiana46:08

        Yeah

    22. TNTrevor Noah46:08

        ... "Ah, that's terrible. I'm gonna try to be part of fixing it"?

    23. CHChristiana46:11

        Yeah.

    24. TCTressie McMillan Cottom46:12

        I understand.

    25. TNTrevor Noah46:12

        Like, 'cause then otherwise you just become like the, the, the, the, you know those people who drive and throw trash out of their car everywhere.

    26. TCTressie McMillan Cottom46:18

        Yes. Yeah.

    27. TNTrevor Noah46:18

        'Cause that's all you're doing. I don't like this. Throw it away. I don't like this.

    28. TCTressie McMillan Cottom46:21

        Mm.

    29. TNTrevor Noah46:21

        Throw it away. No.

    30. TCTressie McMillan Cottom46:21

        Yeah.

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