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Meet Khaya Dlanga – One of My Favorite People | What Now? with Trevor Noah Podcast

We’ve got a new type of episode for you. In this premiere “My Favorite People” ep, I chats with my longtime friend (indeed one of my favorite people), Khaya Dlanga. Khaya’s a South African writer, commentator, and Youtube OG.

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Feb 27, 20252h 4mWatch on YouTube

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  1. 0:00 – 2:00

    Introduction

    1. TN

      By the way, can I just say-

    2. KD

      Yeah

    3. TN

      ... if you listen to this podcast and you had ideas about Africans, what I love about Khaya is he really makes you feel like you're talking to an African, eh?

    4. KD

      [laughs]

    5. TN

      'Cause it's like, "What's his name?" "Khaya Dlanga."

    6. KD

      [laughs]

    7. TN

      And then he's like, "Then my friend, Xolisa Jestina-"

    8. KD

      [laughs]

    9. TN

      "... crashed into my car, and my other friend, Umzinga."

    10. KD

      [laughs]

    11. TN

      Then someone listening is like, "Oh, wow."

    12. KD

      And what's the dull child again?

    13. TN

      Yeah. The... Oh, this-

    14. KD

      What's a dull child?

    15. TN

      Uh, Unyabile. Yeah.

    16. KD

      Yeah. [laughs]

    17. TN

      You see what I mean? Like, Khaya is full on, full on. Like, anyone listening to this is like, "Yeah, this is... Oh my God, this is really African."

    18. KD

      This is Africa.

    19. TN

      This is so African right now.

    20. KD

      I should have shown them, like, pictures of my me-

    21. TN

      [laughs]

    22. KD

      ... in the village. [laughs]

    23. TN

      [upbeat music] Khaya Dlanga, one of my favorite human beings on the planet. He's a writer, social commentator, social media superstar, but most importantly, and truly this is the most important, he's my friend. We've been friends for over 20 years now, and Khaya Dlanga is easily one of the smartest, funniest, and interesting human beings I know. And so I thought, why not have him on the show? I mean, if you're gonna have a podcast, you wanna share the most interesting people, right? And that's what today's episode is all about, one of my favorite people in the entire world, Khaya Dlanga. I think you're gonna enjoy him as much as I do, but bad news, he's my friend, so you can't have him. Oh, and that random South African voice you hear in the background, that's Ryan, South African producer. Uh, don't mind him, but really you should. [upbeat music] This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. What happened to you, by the way? What, what was going on with

  2. 2:00 – 3:45

    Story of a German Uber executive learning English

    1. TN

      your Uber driver?

    2. KD

      Got into this Uber. Yeah, just started chatting. The guy's a German, this German driver. So he's picking, he's driving us. And like, "Oh, um..." So, started chatting. "Oh, w- w- where do you work?" He works for... He is like a, an MD or something at Merrill Lynch. Like a-

    3. TN

      Wait, wait, what?

    4. KD

      I know.

    5. TN

      Your Uber driver-

    6. KD

      Our Uber driver was, like, a, an MD-

    7. TN

      Like, was or was, was-

    8. KD

      Was current-

    9. TN

      So he was currently at the time

    10. KD

      ... as a driver. At the time, yes. Like, a massive executive position, you know? And I was like... So we start... I was like, "Dude, what, what... Like, explain what's going on here." And he says, "No, you know, when I come from Germany, I decide that, uh, in order for me to improve my English, I'm going to become an Uber driver."

    11. TN

      Oh, you're lying.

    12. KD

      Yeah, "I'm going to become an Uber driver and then I'm going to... Please excuse my closet German accent." [laughs]

    13. TN

      I've actually never heard one before.

    14. KD

      [laughs]

    15. TN

      This is really dope.

    16. KD

      [laughs] It, it-

    17. TN

      [laughs] It sounds like a, a new character in, in the next Black Panther.

    18. KD

      [laughs]

    19. TN

      [laughs] They have a German character.

    20. KD

      [laughs]

    21. TN

      "So the... Has the strengths of the Black Panther."

    22. KD

      [laughs]

    23. TN

      [laughs] Is-

    24. KD

      So this guy, and he's like, "That's what he does now." And in order-

    25. TN

      Wow

    26. KD

      ... to improve his English. And then he says, but w- what he also found was that he got to understand nuances about Americans that he got because he was an Uber driver.

    27. TN

      Could apply.

    28. KD

      Yeah. He could apply-

    29. TN

      That makes sense

    30. KD

      ... within the, you know, for his job. I was like, "Oh, wow." That was for me the most interesting.

  3. 3:45 – 8:00

    Khaya’s experiences as a driver and car accidents

    1. TN

      is.

    2. KD

      Yeah.

    3. TN

      I always wanted to be an Uber driver. That was my dream.

    4. KD

      But you've been a taxi driver.

    5. TN

      True.

    6. KD

      Yeah.

    7. TN

      But I wanted to be an Uber driver.

    8. KD

      Why?

    9. TN

      So I love driving.

    10. KD

      You do.

    11. TN

      So, okay, here was the limitation. So the limitation of being a taxi driver [clears throat] in South Africa is... And for those listening, if you don't understand, uh, taxis in South Africa are different to taxis in most parts of the world in that here when we say taxi, we mean like a mini bus that travels on a predetermined route. So for me, it felt a little restrictive. I couldn't turn wherever I wanted to turn. I couldn't... Like, you know what I mean? I wanna be free, Khaya.

    12. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    13. TN

      I wanna be doing my thing, man.

    14. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    15. TN

      Like a taxi. So I've always wanted to be-

    16. KD

      Well, my Uber driver was free, but he wasn't taking me where I wanted to go. [laughs] Just saying.

    17. TN

      Yeah, that's who I wanted to be.

    18. KD

      [laughs]

    19. TN

      I wanted to be the guy backing up on the highway.

    20. KD

      [laughs]

    21. TN

      No, I don't know why. I always wanted to be, like, a...

    22. KD

      Mm.

    23. TN

      You know what it also is? I... Okay, I love driving, um, and I also like, like, efficient driving. I don't know how to explain it, but I, I love the idea of getting people to the place they're supposed to be in the best way possible with the least stress possible.

    24. KD

      Oh, okay.

    25. TN

      You know?

    26. KD

      Uh, so far.

    27. TN

      Do you like driving?

    28. KD

      I love driving. It's, like, one of my favorite things to do is to drive. It's, it's quite far, so I really do enjoy driving from Joburg to the Eastern Cape by myself.

    29. TN

      You know, I thought your answer was gonna be no because of how many accidents you've had.

    30. KD

      Uh, but I haven't had many accidents.

  4. 8:00 – 24:00

    Discussion on insurance companies and their responsibilities

    1. TN

      insurance there? Do we know?

    2. KD

      In America?

    3. TN

      In America. Yeah.

    4. KD

      I have no idea.

    5. TN

      'Cause, I mean, I know, like, health insurance, as we know, Luigi has shown us it's not great.

    6. KD

      Yeah.

    7. TN

      And then fire insurance, we saw what happened.

    8. KD

      In California.

    9. TN

      Yeah, where they, like, started pulling it from people, which by the way, I still think is one of the greatest scams in life, right? Is that insurance companies can pull out of a market because they're like, "We're not making money."

    10. KD

      Mm. Yeah, Coke doesn't, um, change the recipe if it's more expensive to make Coke in that area.

    11. TN

      That's what I mean.

    12. KD

      They continue to make Coke. Their job is to make money from Coke.

    13. TN

      Yeah, but they're supposed to make-

    14. KD

      So if their job is to make money from insuring people-

    15. TN

      Yeah

    16. KD

      ... they just go, "No, it's no more long. We're gonna remove those clauses."

    17. TN

      But now they're like, "Oh, no, now we won't make as much money." Then I'm like, "Yeah, but you're supposed to insure people." Isn't the purpose of your business insurance?

    18. KD

      And also, like, isn't it, like, it's a bet, right? Because they say... 'Cause the whole thing app- like, I remember, don't know if I saw this already somewhere, was someone said the purpose of insurance, the company says, right?

    19. TN

      Yes.

    20. KD

      "I bet you your house won't catch fire." And you say, "I bet you my house will."

    21. TN

      [laughs]

    22. KD

      Right? And so what you do is that, like, now you keep p- you're paying, right? Because as long as y- you don't catch any fire, your bet, you're like, "I'm, I told you. I told you."

    23. TN

      That's actually crazy.

    24. KD

      I- it's a bet. It's not. And all of a sudden now my house catches fire.

    25. TN

      The bet-

    26. KD

      Ah.

    27. TN

      The bet has come right.

    28. KD

      Yeah, the bet has come right. Now you have to pay me because I w- I win. So-

    29. TN

      Now I have a totally different-

    30. KD

      Exactly

  5. 24:00 – 41:00

    Early fascination with American politics

    1. KD

      you know, to a lot of people."

    2. TN

      But you do. You stop and you speak to everybody, and everybody speaks to you. And I want... Do you think you got it from your grandfather? 'Cause, like, t- tell me a little bit about your grandfather. 'Cause I know, I know, like, some of the loose stories we've shared here and there.

    3. KD

      Mm.

    4. TN

      But, like, who was your grandfather?

    5. KD

      Wow. My grandfather, uh, his name, guys, if, if you're South African, right, and you're trying to give someone a job-

    6. TN

      Yes

    7. KD

      ... and just, like, you had to read someone's name, and it's a whites-only job-

    8. TN

      Yes

    9. KD

      ... my f- my grandfather would receive, would get the job.

    10. TN

      Okay.

    11. KD

      Because his name was Alfred Kaiser Boyce.

    12. TN

      Wow

    13. KD

      [laughs]

    14. TN

      Elford Khayisa

    15. KD

      Khayisa, yeah

    16. TN

      Like the German Khayisa

    17. KD

      Yeah, like the German Khayisa

    18. TN

      Elford Khayisa Boyce

    19. KD

      Yeah. B-O-Y-C-E. So that's from my-

    20. TN

      Boyce?

    21. KD

      Yeah. From my-

    22. TN

      Damn

    23. KD

      ... from my mom. Yeah, I know, right?

    24. TN

      Damn.

    25. KD

      Yeah. [laughs] It sounds very fancy, right?

    26. TN

      No, it really does.

    27. KD

      Yeah.

    28. TN

      Elford Khayisa Boyce.

    29. KD

      Elford Khayisa Boyce. And-

    30. TN

      Send in Elford Khayisa Boyce. [laughs]

  6. 41:00 – 1:22:00

    Return to church after mother's passing

    1. TN

      Yeah, no.

    2. KD

      Right?

    3. TN

      It's all about consent.

    4. KD

      So now they're like... 'Cause now I- I'm like, "What is in their finger? Like, what's there?"

    5. TN

      Right.

    6. KD

      Why?

    7. TN

      It doesn't matter. The mouth is a really... You, you'd be shocked at what your mouth can handle.

    8. KD

      [laughs] No.

    9. TN

      You can clip that, by the way.

    10. KD

      [laughs]

    11. TN

      You can put it somewhere.

    12. KD

      [laughs] For me-

    13. TN

      But it's true, guys

    14. KD

      ... the, for me, the worst part of that story would be if I liked it.

    15. TN

      [laughs]

    16. KD

      Like if it tasted nice-

    17. TN

      I think that's the best part of the story

    18. KD

      ... or something.

    19. TN

      Why is that the worst part? That would be the best part.

    20. KD

      Then, then you'd have to tell people that you thought-

    21. TN

      No

    22. KD

      ... the homeless man-

    23. TN

      You don't have to tell anybody that you liked it

    24. KD

      ... that you liked it. Yeah, you don't have to.

    25. TN

      But now you know which intersection you're driving to every single week.

    26. KD

      [laughs] Hoping. [laughs]

    27. TN

      You'd just be there all the time.

    28. KD

      All those... Your f- your window-

    29. TN

      Just window down

    30. KD

      ... and one-

  7. 1:22:00 – 1:39:00

    Family history and father's story

    1. KD

      a file. They're like they open the file. They say, "Explain yourself. Why is it that every single traffic fine is to a white person?" You don't find [laughs]

    2. TN

      [laughs]

    3. KD

      You don't find any Black people. All these fines are just white people. And he says, "Well, uh, well, most people who drive cars are white." And they said, "So you're saying that Black people don't co- they don't commit traffic offenses?" And he would fine them for the tiniest infringement and basically he was given a warning that, um, if he continues he'll be fired and then he quit. [laughs]

    4. TN

      Wow.

    5. KD

      So it was his own little rebellion, I think against the, I think his protest against-

    6. TN

      Hey, man

    7. KD

      ... what hap- what happened to his father.

    8. TN

      Kudos to him.

    9. KD

      So, so-

    10. TN

      I like that

    11. KD

      ... that's, that's literally the only story that, um, I know of him.

    12. TN

      Damn, I like that.

    13. KD

      Because, because I was too young-

    14. TN

      Yeah, yeah, yeah

    15. KD

      ... you know, to know anything about him.

    16. TN

      No, that makes sense.

    17. KD

      Mm. So that was, that was, I, I thought that was a freaking, freaking cool story.

    18. TN

      He would have, he would have worked well as a, as a cop in America but they would have been like, "Listen same tactic."

    19. KD

      Oh my God.

    20. TN

      "But flip the race."

    21. KD

      Oh, yeah.

    22. TN

      "You're doing very well."

    23. KD

      [laughs]

    24. TN

      "You're doing very well. You just have to-"

    25. KD

      You've got the skills.

    26. TN

      You've got the skills.

    27. KD

      You've got the skills.

    28. TN

      You've got the skills we're looking for.

    29. KD

      It's natural. [laughs]

    30. TN

      But now what we just need you to do is flip it.

  8. 1:39:00 – 1:51:00

    Exploration of gambling addiction and social responsibility

    1. TN

      or whatever where you're sort of directly tied to the advertising, you know? So when you're on The Daily Show, when you're on another TV show, they just play ads in between. In podcasting, the ads are sort of tied to the show in some ways, you know? And so I remember when we launched the podcast, they explaining the system to me and how it works. They're like, "Well, you know, people don't pay for the podcast, and so you do advertisements." I was like, "Okay, whatever." And you get the ads that come in, and one of the ads that we used to get on the podcast was sports betting. You know? Get, like, all the sports betting, sports betting, sports betting. And there was one day when I was reading, like, the terms and conditions of the sports betting, and I don't know why you and your brother came into my head. And I said to the team after that, I was like, "We can't, we can't do these anymore." And they were like, "Why?" And I was like, "Because it's not real." Do you know what I mean? You know when they go like, "Gamble responsibly"?

    2. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    3. TN

      That's not a, that's not a real thing.

    4. KD

      Mm, mm.

    5. TN

      You know? It's not... Someone might say, "Oh, yeah, but I mean, anything can go..." Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we, we have to admit there are certain things in life that have a far worse ramification than others, you know? Like, you and I, funny enough, in Cape Town, were talking to a friend from London. We didn't know, I didn't know that she had a gambling addiction.

    6. KD

      I know.

    7. TN

      It was a crazy story.

    8. KD

      That is so crazy.

    9. TN

      So the UK has this thing where you can put somebody, or put yourself really, on a list where you are banned from all gambling, all gambling. And when you're on that list, they can't take your money. They can't allow you to gamble. They can't... And once you're on the list, I think there's, like, different phases. You can be on for a year. You can be on for three years. You can be on for 10 years or something, maybe even forever. But you, and then you have to call to take yourself off the list, and there's a series of things you have to answer. But the point is, she was telling us this story about gambling, and I was thinking of you again and your brother, and I was just like... The thing about gambling in particular is, on the face of it, gambling is fun and innocuous, right? It's a fun thing.

    10. KD

      Mm.

    11. TN

      "Hey, I bet you this can't happen. I bet you that can't happen."

    12. KD

      I bet you-

    13. TN

      You know, like you were saying with insurance

    14. KD

      ... your house won't catch fire. [laughs]

    15. TN

      I bet you your house won't catch fire. I bet you.

    16. KD

      Yeah. Mm.

    17. TN

      But when people work to make you gamble more than you can and should, I don't know, man, it's... And I feel like this about a, like, a few products that we've allowed in society and in the world, is we've made it seem like it's all about the individual's responsibility, but we know that there are certain individuals who can't override that because it's, it's been designed to hack that.

    18. KD

      Yeah.

    19. TN

      You know? They'll make certain foods addictive, but then we blame people for being addicted to them. But it's like, yeah, but you also made it addictive.

    20. KD

      Mm.

    21. TN

      You know? Someone will go like, "Oh, yeah, but why did they smoke?" It's like, yeah, but you know that smoking is addictive, and gambling is one of those as well.

    22. KD

      Yeah.

    23. TN

      Like, the way they make, the way they, they loop people in with parlays and bets and double or nothing and this and get that, and you can get a free... And they always rope you in with free. "Hey, hey, come in. Start with a free one. Your free bet. Start with a free bet and..." And I remember thinking, I was just like, damn, man. I was like, am I... Because, like, genuinely, I kept on thinking of, like-

    24. KD

      Mm

    25. TN

      ... somewhere out there, there might be some kid, some person who's listening to your podcast.

    26. KD

      Mm-hmm.

    27. TN

      And they go like, "Oh, wow, free, free bet. I'll, I might-"

    28. KD

      Yeah

    29. TN

      ... "want to join in." And then you just, you don't know, you know, 'cause you've seen the insidious side of it.

    30. KD

      It, it's so funny. I, I... It's so funny. I've, I've asked myself this question, is like, well, what if a betting company came to me and said, "Hey, influencer." This sounds like... Well, I, I, I, I, I know I wouldn't do it, right?

  9. 1:51:00 – 1:55:00

    Writing career and storytelling approach

    1. KD

      of us.

    2. TN

      Mm.

    3. KD

      Trevor has, has bought 80% of the ice cream we've bought in our lives.

    4. TN

      That's what I'm saying.

    5. SP

      Yeah, no, that's true.

    6. TN

      I'm saying I'm responsible for-

    7. KD

      In this room

    8. TN

      ... insurance companies staying open-

    9. KD

      I know

    10. SP

      ... question

    11. TN

      ... yeah, for all of you.

    12. KD

      [laughs]

    13. TN

      So you're, you're welcome.

    14. KD

      [laughs]

    15. TN

      Every single one of you. But now, okay, wait, wait. So, the [laughs] that's an interesting question, actually, a, a segue to ask is, like, your books.

    16. KD

      Mm.

    17. TN

      How many books have you written now?

    18. KD

      Uh, can you-

    19. TN

      What are you on?

    20. KD

      Now I'm on num- number five.

    21. TN

      Number five.

    22. KD

      Yeah.

    23. TN

      So what, the first one was?

    24. KD

      In My, In My-

    25. TN

      In My Arrogant Opinion

    26. KD

      ... Arrogant Opinion.

    27. TN

      That's my favorite title of all time.

    28. KD

      [laughs]

    29. TN

      Because of who you are-

    30. KD

      Yeah

  10. 1:55:00 – 2:04:02

    Stories about growing up during apartheid

    1. KD

      life while history is happening.

    2. TN

      Hmm.

    3. KD

      So if, if, for example, if I talk about, um, so in the village, um, I, I were to take the bus. We'd, we'd wake up at 4:00, you know, at 4:00 with my gran, who would then take us to the school and take a bus and da, da, da. If, if the river was too high, then we have to wait until... You know what I'm saying? All of those kinds of things. That is a consequence of apartheid, for example.

    4. TN

      Right.

    5. KD

      So this is how we lived during apartheid. And then, so what happens when Nelson Mandela comes out of prison? Oh, they opened schools to Black kids, too. Then I go to a school with white people, and people in the township see me wearing a school uniform, this little primary s- 12-year-old, you know, wearing these clothes that they only see white kids wearing to school. And then they will stop you on the street and be like, "Can you speak English?" [laughs] You guys are cool. I'd be like, "Um, y- um, yes." "Like, really?" And they're like, "Yeah." And then they're like, "Okay, speak English then." [laughs]

    6. TN

      [laughs] You know, the funniest of it-

    7. KD

      Yeah

    8. TN

      ... they used to do that to me.

    9. KD

      [laughs]

    10. TN

      But then I would speak, but then they wouldn't know whether or not it was English.

    11. KD

      [laughs] Yeah.

    12. TN

      It was always like the funniest loop.

    13. KD

      [laughs]

    14. TN

      They'll be like-

    15. KD

      Yeah

    16. TN

      ... you know what I mean?

    17. KD

      Yeah, yeah.

    18. TN

      "Does this English?"

    19. KD

      Yeah, exactly.

    20. TN

      Then I'd be like, "Yeah, I speak."

    21. KD

      Yeah.

    22. TN

      And they'd be like

    23. KD

      [laughs]

    24. TN

      ... Then I'd be like, "Hello. My name is Trevor."

    25. KD

      Yeah. [laughs]

    26. TN

      [laughs]

    27. KD

      Exactly.

    28. TN

      And I'm like, "But you don't know if I can speak English-

    29. KD

      [laughs]

    30. TN

      ... 'cause you can't speak English."

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