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Introduction
- TNTrevor Noah
By the way, can I just say-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah
- TNTrevor Noah
... if you listen to this podcast and you had ideas about Africans, what I love about Khaya is he really makes you feel like you're talking to an African, eh?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
'Cause it's like, "What's his name?" "Khaya Dlanga."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
And then he's like, "Then my friend, Xolisa Jestina-"
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
"... crashed into my car, and my other friend, Umzinga."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Then someone listening is like, "Oh, wow."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
And what's the dull child again?
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah. The... Oh, this-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
What's a dull child?
- TNTrevor Noah
Uh, Unyabile. Yeah.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
You see what I mean? Like, Khaya is full on, full on. Like, anyone listening to this is like, "Yeah, this is... Oh my God, this is really African."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
This is Africa.
- TNTrevor Noah
This is so African right now.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I should have shown them, like, pictures of my me-
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... in the village. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[upbeat music] Khaya Dlanga, one of my favorite human beings on the planet. He's a writer, social commentator, social media superstar, but most importantly, and truly this is the most important, he's my friend. We've been friends for over 20 years now, and Khaya Dlanga is easily one of the smartest, funniest, and interesting human beings I know. And so I thought, why not have him on the show? I mean, if you're gonna have a podcast, you wanna share the most interesting people, right? And that's what today's episode is all about, one of my favorite people in the entire world, Khaya Dlanga. I think you're gonna enjoy him as much as I do, but bad news, he's my friend, so you can't have him. Oh, and that random South African voice you hear in the background, that's Ryan, South African producer. Uh, don't mind him, but really you should. [upbeat music] This is What Now? With Trevor Noah. What happened to you, by the way? What, what was going on with
- 2:00 – 3:45
Story of a German Uber executive learning English
- TNTrevor Noah
your Uber driver?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Got into this Uber. Yeah, just started chatting. The guy's a German, this German driver. So he's picking, he's driving us. And like, "Oh, um..." So, started chatting. "Oh, w- w- where do you work?" He works for... He is like a, an MD or something at Merrill Lynch. Like a-
- TNTrevor Noah
Wait, wait, what?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I know.
- TNTrevor Noah
Your Uber driver-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Our Uber driver was, like, a, an MD-
- TNTrevor Noah
Like, was or was, was-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Was current-
- TNTrevor Noah
So he was currently at the time
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... as a driver. At the time, yes. Like, a massive executive position, you know? And I was like... So we start... I was like, "Dude, what, what... Like, explain what's going on here." And he says, "No, you know, when I come from Germany, I decide that, uh, in order for me to improve my English, I'm going to become an Uber driver."
- TNTrevor Noah
Oh, you're lying.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah, "I'm going to become an Uber driver and then I'm going to... Please excuse my closet German accent." [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
I've actually never heard one before.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
This is really dope.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs] It, it-
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] It sounds like a, a new character in, in the next Black Panther.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] They have a German character.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
"So the... Has the strengths of the Black Panther."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] Is-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So this guy, and he's like, "That's what he does now." And in order-
- TNTrevor Noah
Wow
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... to improve his English. And then he says, but w- what he also found was that he got to understand nuances about Americans that he got because he was an Uber driver.
- TNTrevor Noah
Could apply.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. He could apply-
- TNTrevor Noah
That makes sense
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... within the, you know, for his job. I was like, "Oh, wow." That was for me the most interesting.
- 3:45 – 8:00
Khaya’s experiences as a driver and car accidents
- TNTrevor Noah
is.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
I always wanted to be an Uber driver. That was my dream.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
But you've been a taxi driver.
- TNTrevor Noah
True.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
But I wanted to be an Uber driver.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Why?
- TNTrevor Noah
So I love driving.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
You do.
- TNTrevor Noah
So, okay, here was the limitation. So the limitation of being a taxi driver [clears throat] in South Africa is... And for those listening, if you don't understand, uh, taxis in South Africa are different to taxis in most parts of the world in that here when we say taxi, we mean like a mini bus that travels on a predetermined route. So for me, it felt a little restrictive. I couldn't turn wherever I wanted to turn. I couldn't... Like, you know what I mean? I wanna be free, Khaya.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
I wanna be doing my thing, man.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
Like a taxi. So I've always wanted to be-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Well, my Uber driver was free, but he wasn't taking me where I wanted to go. [laughs] Just saying.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, that's who I wanted to be.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
I wanted to be the guy backing up on the highway.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
No, I don't know why. I always wanted to be, like, a...
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know what it also is? I... Okay, I love driving, um, and I also like, like, efficient driving. I don't know how to explain it, but I, I love the idea of getting people to the place they're supposed to be in the best way possible with the least stress possible.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Oh, okay.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Uh, so far.
- TNTrevor Noah
Do you like driving?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I love driving. It's, like, one of my favorite things to do is to drive. It's, it's quite far, so I really do enjoy driving from Joburg to the Eastern Cape by myself.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know, I thought your answer was gonna be no because of how many accidents you've had.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Uh, but I haven't had many accidents.
- 8:00 – 24:00
Discussion on insurance companies and their responsibilities
- TNTrevor Noah
insurance there? Do we know?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
In America?
- TNTrevor Noah
In America. Yeah.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I have no idea.
- TNTrevor Noah
'Cause, I mean, I know, like, health insurance, as we know, Luigi has shown us it's not great.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
And then fire insurance, we saw what happened.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
In California.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, where they, like, started pulling it from people, which by the way, I still think is one of the greatest scams in life, right? Is that insurance companies can pull out of a market because they're like, "We're not making money."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm. Yeah, Coke doesn't, um, change the recipe if it's more expensive to make Coke in that area.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's what I mean.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
They continue to make Coke. Their job is to make money from Coke.
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, but they're supposed to make-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So if their job is to make money from insuring people-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... they just go, "No, it's no more long. We're gonna remove those clauses."
- TNTrevor Noah
But now they're like, "Oh, no, now we won't make as much money." Then I'm like, "Yeah, but you're supposed to insure people." Isn't the purpose of your business insurance?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
And also, like, isn't it, like, it's a bet, right? Because they say... 'Cause the whole thing app- like, I remember, don't know if I saw this already somewhere, was someone said the purpose of insurance, the company says, right?
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
"I bet you your house won't catch fire." And you say, "I bet you my house will."
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Right? And so what you do is that, like, now you keep p- you're paying, right? Because as long as y- you don't catch any fire, your bet, you're like, "I'm, I told you. I told you."
- TNTrevor Noah
That's actually crazy.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I- it's a bet. It's not. And all of a sudden now my house catches fire.
- TNTrevor Noah
The bet-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Ah.
- TNTrevor Noah
The bet has come right.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah, the bet has come right. Now you have to pay me because I w- I win. So-
- TNTrevor Noah
Now I have a totally different-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Exactly
- 24:00 – 41:00
Early fascination with American politics
- KDKhaya Dlanga
you know, to a lot of people."
- TNTrevor Noah
But you do. You stop and you speak to everybody, and everybody speaks to you. And I want... Do you think you got it from your grandfather? 'Cause, like, t- tell me a little bit about your grandfather. 'Cause I know, I know, like, some of the loose stories we've shared here and there.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
But, like, who was your grandfather?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Wow. My grandfather, uh, his name, guys, if, if you're South African, right, and you're trying to give someone a job-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... and just, like, you had to read someone's name, and it's a whites-only job-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yes
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... my f- my grandfather would receive, would get the job.
- TNTrevor Noah
Okay.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Because his name was Alfred Kaiser Boyce.
- TNTrevor Noah
Wow
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Elford Khayisa
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Khayisa, yeah
- TNTrevor Noah
Like the German Khayisa
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah, like the German Khayisa
- TNTrevor Noah
Elford Khayisa Boyce
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. B-O-Y-C-E. So that's from my-
- TNTrevor Noah
Boyce?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. From my-
- TNTrevor Noah
Damn
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... from my mom. Yeah, I know, right?
- TNTrevor Noah
Damn.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. [laughs] It sounds very fancy, right?
- TNTrevor Noah
No, it really does.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
Elford Khayisa Boyce.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Elford Khayisa Boyce. And-
- TNTrevor Noah
Send in Elford Khayisa Boyce. [laughs]
- 41:00 – 1:22:00
Return to church after mother's passing
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, no.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Right?
- TNTrevor Noah
It's all about consent.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So now they're like... 'Cause now I- I'm like, "What is in their finger? Like, what's there?"
- TNTrevor Noah
Right.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Why?
- TNTrevor Noah
It doesn't matter. The mouth is a really... You, you'd be shocked at what your mouth can handle.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs] No.
- TNTrevor Noah
You can clip that, by the way.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
You can put it somewhere.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs] For me-
- TNTrevor Noah
But it's true, guys
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... the, for me, the worst part of that story would be if I liked it.
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Like if it tasted nice-
- TNTrevor Noah
I think that's the best part of the story
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... or something.
- TNTrevor Noah
Why is that the worst part? That would be the best part.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Then, then you'd have to tell people that you thought-
- TNTrevor Noah
No
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... the homeless man-
- TNTrevor Noah
You don't have to tell anybody that you liked it
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... that you liked it. Yeah, you don't have to.
- TNTrevor Noah
But now you know which intersection you're driving to every single week.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs] Hoping. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
You'd just be there all the time.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
All those... Your f- your window-
- TNTrevor Noah
Just window down
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... and one-
- 1:22:00 – 1:39:00
Family history and father's story
- KDKhaya Dlanga
a file. They're like they open the file. They say, "Explain yourself. Why is it that every single traffic fine is to a white person?" You don't find [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- KDKhaya Dlanga
You don't find any Black people. All these fines are just white people. And he says, "Well, uh, well, most people who drive cars are white." And they said, "So you're saying that Black people don't co- they don't commit traffic offenses?" And he would fine them for the tiniest infringement and basically he was given a warning that, um, if he continues he'll be fired and then he quit. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Wow.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So it was his own little rebellion, I think against the, I think his protest against-
- TNTrevor Noah
Hey, man
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... what hap- what happened to his father.
- TNTrevor Noah
Kudos to him.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So, so-
- TNTrevor Noah
I like that
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... that's, that's literally the only story that, um, I know of him.
- TNTrevor Noah
Damn, I like that.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Because, because I was too young-
- TNTrevor Noah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... you know, to know anything about him.
- TNTrevor Noah
No, that makes sense.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm. So that was, that was, I, I thought that was a freaking, freaking cool story.
- TNTrevor Noah
He would have, he would have worked well as a, as a cop in America but they would have been like, "Listen same tactic."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Oh my God.
- TNTrevor Noah
"But flip the race."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Oh, yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
"You're doing very well."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
"You're doing very well. You just have to-"
- KDKhaya Dlanga
You've got the skills.
- TNTrevor Noah
You've got the skills.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
You've got the skills.
- TNTrevor Noah
You've got the skills we're looking for.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
It's natural. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
But now what we just need you to do is flip it.
- 1:39:00 – 1:51:00
Exploration of gambling addiction and social responsibility
- TNTrevor Noah
or whatever where you're sort of directly tied to the advertising, you know? So when you're on The Daily Show, when you're on another TV show, they just play ads in between. In podcasting, the ads are sort of tied to the show in some ways, you know? And so I remember when we launched the podcast, they explaining the system to me and how it works. They're like, "Well, you know, people don't pay for the podcast, and so you do advertisements." I was like, "Okay, whatever." And you get the ads that come in, and one of the ads that we used to get on the podcast was sports betting. You know? Get, like, all the sports betting, sports betting, sports betting. And there was one day when I was reading, like, the terms and conditions of the sports betting, and I don't know why you and your brother came into my head. And I said to the team after that, I was like, "We can't, we can't do these anymore." And they were like, "Why?" And I was like, "Because it's not real." Do you know what I mean? You know when they go like, "Gamble responsibly"?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's not a, that's not a real thing.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm, mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know? It's not... Someone might say, "Oh, yeah, but I mean, anything can go..." Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But we, we have to admit there are certain things in life that have a far worse ramification than others, you know? Like, you and I, funny enough, in Cape Town, were talking to a friend from London. We didn't know, I didn't know that she had a gambling addiction.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I know.
- TNTrevor Noah
It was a crazy story.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
That is so crazy.
- TNTrevor Noah
So the UK has this thing where you can put somebody, or put yourself really, on a list where you are banned from all gambling, all gambling. And when you're on that list, they can't take your money. They can't allow you to gamble. They can't... And once you're on the list, I think there's, like, different phases. You can be on for a year. You can be on for three years. You can be on for 10 years or something, maybe even forever. But you, and then you have to call to take yourself off the list, and there's a series of things you have to answer. But the point is, she was telling us this story about gambling, and I was thinking of you again and your brother, and I was just like... The thing about gambling in particular is, on the face of it, gambling is fun and innocuous, right? It's a fun thing.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
"Hey, I bet you this can't happen. I bet you that can't happen."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I bet you-
- TNTrevor Noah
You know, like you were saying with insurance
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... your house won't catch fire. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
I bet you your house won't catch fire. I bet you.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
But when people work to make you gamble more than you can and should, I don't know, man, it's... And I feel like this about a, like, a few products that we've allowed in society and in the world, is we've made it seem like it's all about the individual's responsibility, but we know that there are certain individuals who can't override that because it's, it's been designed to hack that.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know? They'll make certain foods addictive, but then we blame people for being addicted to them. But it's like, yeah, but you also made it addictive.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
You know? Someone will go like, "Oh, yeah, but why did they smoke?" It's like, yeah, but you know that smoking is addictive, and gambling is one of those as well.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
Like, the way they make, the way they, they loop people in with parlays and bets and double or nothing and this and get that, and you can get a free... And they always rope you in with free. "Hey, hey, come in. Start with a free one. Your free bet. Start with a free bet and..." And I remember thinking, I was just like, damn, man. I was like, am I... Because, like, genuinely, I kept on thinking of, like-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm
- TNTrevor Noah
... somewhere out there, there might be some kid, some person who's listening to your podcast.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm-hmm.
- TNTrevor Noah
And they go like, "Oh, wow, free, free bet. I'll, I might-"
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah
- TNTrevor Noah
... "want to join in." And then you just, you don't know, you know, 'cause you've seen the insidious side of it.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
It, it's so funny. I, I... It's so funny. I've, I've asked myself this question, is like, well, what if a betting company came to me and said, "Hey, influencer." This sounds like... Well, I, I, I, I, I know I wouldn't do it, right?
- 1:51:00 – 1:55:00
Writing career and storytelling approach
- KDKhaya Dlanga
of us.
- TNTrevor Noah
Mm.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Trevor has, has bought 80% of the ice cream we've bought in our lives.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's what I'm saying.
- SPSpeaker
Yeah, no, that's true.
- TNTrevor Noah
I'm saying I'm responsible for-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
In this room
- TNTrevor Noah
... insurance companies staying open-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
I know
- SPSpeaker
... question
- TNTrevor Noah
... yeah, for all of you.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
So you're, you're welcome.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Every single one of you. But now, okay, wait, wait. So, the [laughs] that's an interesting question, actually, a, a segue to ask is, like, your books.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Mm.
- TNTrevor Noah
How many books have you written now?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Uh, can you-
- TNTrevor Noah
What are you on?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Now I'm on num- number five.
- TNTrevor Noah
Number five.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
So what, the first one was?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
In My, In My-
- TNTrevor Noah
In My Arrogant Opinion
- KDKhaya Dlanga
... Arrogant Opinion.
- TNTrevor Noah
That's my favorite title of all time.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
Because of who you are-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah
- 1:55:00 – 2:04:02
Stories about growing up during apartheid
- KDKhaya Dlanga
life while history is happening.
- TNTrevor Noah
Hmm.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So if, if, for example, if I talk about, um, so in the village, um, I, I were to take the bus. We'd, we'd wake up at 4:00, you know, at 4:00 with my gran, who would then take us to the school and take a bus and da, da, da. If, if the river was too high, then we have to wait until... You know what I'm saying? All of those kinds of things. That is a consequence of apartheid, for example.
- TNTrevor Noah
Right.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
So this is how we lived during apartheid. And then, so what happens when Nelson Mandela comes out of prison? Oh, they opened schools to Black kids, too. Then I go to a school with white people, and people in the township see me wearing a school uniform, this little primary s- 12-year-old, you know, wearing these clothes that they only see white kids wearing to school. And then they will stop you on the street and be like, "Can you speak English?" [laughs] You guys are cool. I'd be like, "Um, y- um, yes." "Like, really?" And they're like, "Yeah." And then they're like, "Okay, speak English then." [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs] You know, the funniest of it-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah
- TNTrevor Noah
... they used to do that to me.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
But then I would speak, but then they wouldn't know whether or not it was English.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs] Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
It was always like the funniest loop.
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
They'll be like-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah
- TNTrevor Noah
... you know what I mean?
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah, yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
"Does this English?"
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah, exactly.
- TNTrevor Noah
Then I'd be like, "Yeah, I speak."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah.
- TNTrevor Noah
And they'd be like
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... Then I'd be like, "Hello. My name is Trevor."
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Yeah. [laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
[laughs]
- KDKhaya Dlanga
Exactly.
- TNTrevor Noah
And I'm like, "But you don't know if I can speak English-
- KDKhaya Dlanga
[laughs]
- TNTrevor Noah
... 'cause you can't speak English."
Episode duration: 2:04:02
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