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Why Google, Apple & Big Tech Keep Making Everything Worse | Cory Doctorow and Trevor Noah

This week, Trevor and Eugene sit down with science fiction author and tech activist Cory Doctorow to unpack the concept of "enshittification"—the theory that explains the decay of the modern internet and why massive monopolies are deliberately making our tech worse. From Google tanking its own search results to digital stores clawing back video games you just paid for, Cory exposes how predatory corporate tactics make the average consumer suffer. But it’s not all a capitalist horror show; Cory leaves us with a genuine message of hope, breaking down the massive, unprecedented global coalition that is finally fighting back. If you haven't already.... Subscribe to the channel here: http://bit.ly/SubscribeTrevorNoah Or follow the podcast on your other favorite platforms... SiriusXM Apple Podcasts - https://bit.ly/WhatNowOnApplePodcasts Spotify - https://bit.ly/WhatNowOnSpotify 00:00 - Elon Musk called Cory Doctorow "a scourge on humanity" 02:00 - What is "enshittification"? 17:00 - Why you don't really own your digital purchases 22:00 - Did Google intentionally make Search worse? 34:00 - Apple's 30% App Store tax 42:00 - Why competition matters 58:00 - Can consumers actually fight back? 1:14:00 - Seeds, farming and corporate control 1:31:00 - Monopoly isn't just a board game 1:40:00 - Is there any reason for hope?

Trevor NoahhostCory DoctorowguestEugenehost
Jul 9, 20261h 52mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Enshittification: how monopolies, DRM, and policy choices degrade everything

  1. Doctorow defines “enshittification” as a predictable lifecycle where dominant platforms and firms worsen products and terms once competition and user exit are constrained.
  2. He argues the primary engine is policy—not just bad CEOs—highlighting antitrust retreat and laws like DMCA Section 1201 that criminalize bypassing digital locks and block repair, interoperability, and user control.
  3. Concrete examples include DRM turning purchases into revocable licenses, parts-pairing that bricks repaired devices (cars, ventilators), and alleged internal Google incentives to worsen Search to increase ad impressions.
  4. He frames Apple’s App Store 30% fee as a “tax on the digital economy,” enabled by platform lock-in and anti-circumvention rules, while noting Apple’s “protection” fails when Apple’s interests or geopolitics change.
  5. Despite the bleak diagnosis, he sees hope in a global surge of antitrust and regulation (EU DMA/DSA, cases in Asia, stronger Canadian competition law), plus organizing through unions, local politics, and digital-rights groups like EFF.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Enshittification is a strategy that thrives when exit is blocked.

When users can’t easily switch or modify products, companies can worsen quality, raise fees, and increase surveillance without losing customers—turning “bad ideas” into the most profitable ones.

DMCA 1201 effectively criminalizes fixing and improving your own devices.

Doctorow claims firms can add digital locks and then use anti-circumvention law to make bypassing those locks a felony, chilling repair, reverse engineering, competition, and independent maintenance.

Parts pairing turns repair into vendor permission—sometimes with life-or-death consequences.

He cites locked-down cars and Medtronic ventilators that reject swapped parts, and describes pandemic-era workarounds (e.g., improvised unlockers) that risk prosecution under similar laws abroad.

Platform fees and lock-in function like private taxation.

Apple’s mandated in-app payment rules (30%) are portrayed as pure-margin extraction that ultimately raises consumer prices, while preventing competitors from offering cheaper payment rails (e.g., 3%).

Monopoly shifts internal company culture toward destructive factional battles.

Using Google as an example, Doctorow argues that once competition disappears, incentives favor revenue-maximizing degradation (more searches, more ads) and internal turf wars over user value.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

We're not prisoners of history. We're just people whose leaders were cowardly and shortsighted and selfish and bad at their jobs. And so, you know, there's obvious remedies for that. They don't always involve a guillotine.

Cory Doctorow

Section 1201 of the DMCA establishes a felony for modifying technology without permission.

Cory Doctorow

I call this the Darth Vader MBA, right? As in- ... I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further, right? Like, that is the one lesson of the Darth Vader MBA.

Cory Doctorow

Prabhakar Raghavan's got a great idea. He says, "We can grow search revenue by making search worse, so you have to search more than once- ... so that, uh, we can show you more ads."

Cory Doctorow

Companies aren't just too big to fail. They're not just too big to jail. They get too big to care.

Cory Doctorow

Meaning and mechanics of “enshittification”DMCA 1201 and anti-circumvention as “felony contempt of business model”Right to repair, parts pairing, and device brickingDRM and the shift from ownership to revocable licensesGoogle Search incentives, monopoly “shelf space,” and ad-driven degradationApple App Store 30% fee, payment control, and platform governanceAntitrust revival, global regulation, and collective action vs “vote with your wallet”

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