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This $1.5 Trillion Industry Still Runs on Paper and Fax Machines

Grocery stores do more volume than restaurants and hotels, and most of them still run on clipboards. In this episode of Founder Firesides, YC's Aaron Epstein sat down with Brandon Hill, the co-founder and CEO of Vori, a modern operating system for grocery stores. They discussed renting a refrigerated truck to save a botched dairy order, building AI agents that automatically update items on the shelf when costs change, and why Vori's $22 million Series B is a bet on the future of independent retail. Apply to Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/apply Work at a startup: https://www.ycombinator.com/jobs

Aaron EpsteinhostBrandon Hillguest
May 11, 202628mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:05 – 1:07

    Vori’s Series B and the scale of grocery retail

    Aaron opens by announcing Vori’s $22M Series B and Brandon frames the opportunity: U.S. grocery is a massive, under-digitized retail sector. Brandon shares early traction metrics showing Vori’s growth since launch.

    • $22M Series B led by Cherry Rock Capital
    • Vori as an all-in-one POS + store management system for supermarkets
    • U.S. market: 220,000+ food & beverage retailers and ~$1.5T processing volume
    • Early traction: $500M+ in payments processed and 1M+ shoppers served
    • Grocery’s size is often overlooked vs. restaurants/hotels
  2. 1:07 – 2:21

    A third-generation grocer discovers a “paper-and-fax” industry

    Brandon explains his family’s deep roots in grocery and CPG sales, which gave him firsthand exposure to how stores operate. The pivotal insight came when he realized stores were still using paper invoices, catalogs, and fax workflows as late as 2019.

    • Family background across grocery and major food manufacturers
    • Brandon’s path through Stanford and tech peers/cofounders
    • Shock moment: paper invoices/catalogs were current, not historical
    • Grocery as the most frequent consumer shopping behavior, yet undigitized
    • Motivation to modernize critical infrastructure for communities
  3. 2:21 – 4:10

    The YC origin story: proving the problem with a stack of invoices

    Brandon recounts bringing physical paperwork into the YC interview to make the problem undeniable. The contrast between cutting-edge tech (e.g., SpaceX) and clipboard-based grocery operations cemented the mission to build an operating system for grocery.

    • YC interview demo: literally slamming paper invoices on the table
    • SpaceX vs. grocery store contrast highlights tech gap
    • Paper/pencil/fax as the operational norm in grocery
    • The founding vision: build the operating system for grocery
    • Early commitment to tackle a high-friction, real-world industry
  4. 4:10 – 4:58

    Starting with a wedge: digitizing reorders from wholesalers

    Instead of trying to build everything at once, Vori began with a focused wedge product: a mobile app for reordering inventory from suppliers. That initial tool became the entry point to expand into a broader platform as adoption grew.

    • Wedge strategy: reorder inventory without paper/fax
    • Built a simple mobile app quickly
    • Used the wedge to grow from one store to hundreds in the first year
    • Validated demand before expanding product surface area
    • Set the foundation for end-to-end store management
  5. 4:58 – 5:34

    Demo Day traction and early adopter grocery brands

    Brandon shares Vori’s Demo Day milestone and the importance of landing recognizable early stores. Those customers validated the pain around ordering and stockouts, and gave Vori credibility in a relationship-driven market.

    • ~24 stores by Demo Day
    • Early adopters included Mollie Stone’s and Berkeley Bowl
    • Core pain: ordering took hours and required calling suppliers
    • Value: fewer out-of-stocks and faster replenishment
    • Local brand credibility helped accelerate trust
  6. 5:34 – 6:39

    How the first customers were won: relationships, persistence, and in-store discovery

    Brandon describes the gritty early sales motion: studying stores, finding owners, and showing up repeatedly until they got time. The team learned grocery sales are built on trust and hands-on understanding of store-specific needs.

    • “Founders’ feet on the street” approach
    • Study the aisles and the store’s unique merchandising before pitching
    • Ask for the owner, diagnose problems, and keep returning after rejection
    • Trust and persistence as primary sales levers in legacy industries
    • Early conversations centered on operational pain, not flashy tech
  7. 6:39 – 9:30

    The MVP breakthrough: barcode scanning orders and the ‘goosebumps’ moment

    The Market at Edgewood became a pivotal design partner, laying out the inventory and supplier complexity grocers face. After an 11-day build sprint, the team watched a clerk place a digital order in the dairy aisle—triggering an emotional reaction that signaled real product love.

    • Grocery complexity: 50k–100k SKUs and hundreds to 1,000 suppliers
    • Pain: missed orders cause empty shelves; over-ordering creates waste
    • Team built an MVP in 11 days based on real store workflows
    • Dairy department test: scanning barcodes to generate purchase orders
    • Customer emotion (“goosebumps,” bear hug) as early PMF signal
  8. 9:30 – 11:09

    From love to proof: scaling to paying customers with design partners

    The team treated the first strong reaction as evidence of a real gap—but kept de-risking by adding more stores and charging for value. A key design partner (Abby) helped reshape the product into something more scalable, built directly in-store.

    • PMF heuristic: find customers who “love” you, not those who “like” you
    • Next validation steps: more customers and getting paid
    • Abby (future first employee) redesigns UI on a napkin
    • Coding in the store back office to iterate fast
    • Progression: 3rd, 5th, 50th store and early revenue
  9. 11:09 – 11:16

    Go-to-market evolution: from founder-driven to a national field sales team

    Brandon outlines how Vori’s sales motion matured while keeping the relationship-first DNA. The company moved from founders knocking doors to a quota-carrying team, now operating nationally with field reps and inside support.

    • Stages: founder-exclusive → founder-led → founder-managed/scaled
    • Multi-year product expansion enabled a stronger sales pitch
    • Initial reps focused on Northern California with ~$1M annual quotas
    • Current org: Head of Sales + ~15 reps nationally
    • Still field-sales heavy: door knocking, store heuristics (e.g., reviews), rapport-building
  10. 11:16 – 15:17

    Building the full-stack grocery OS: POS, payments, inventory, marketing, pricing

    Brandon explains why grocery is unusually difficult—regulation, payment types, and massive SKU counts—requiring years of R&D. Vori expanded from an ordering tool into a full platform designed to materially improve store profitability.

    • High barriers: EBT/food stamps, EWIC, compliance and reliability needs
    • Scale complexity vs. restaurants/coffee shops (orders of magnitude more SKUs)
    • Four-year R&D odyssey informed by global store research
    • Full stack components: POS, payment processing, inventory, shopper marketing, dynamic pricing
    • Goal: meaningfully increase net profitability for grocers
  11. 15:17 – 17:56

    Selling the ‘heart transplant’: winning POS replacements by tying to P&L

    Replacing a POS is a high-stakes decision, even for customers who trusted Vori’s initial wedge. The winning pitch centered on clear unit economics—sales, gross margin, and labor—backed by concrete performance improvements and fast cycles.

    • POS replacement framed as a “heart transplant” for the store
    • Sales formula: focus on sales, gross margin, and labor levers
    • Reported outcomes: 20–25% lift in net sales; +7–10 points gross margin; labor repurposing
    • Positioning: ‘double net profitability’ as the core promise
    • Fast motion: ~18–21 day median sales cycle; ~37 day deployment
  12. 17:56 – 20:36

    AI inside Vori: autonomous agents, faster shipping, and a defensible moat

    Brandon describes how AI expands Vori’s product capabilities, accelerates internal execution, and strengthens defensibility. He connects Vori’s “physical + regulated + payments + hardware” stack to a broader shift toward AI transforming real-world industries.

    • Three AI impacts: product value, internal efficiency, and defensibility
    • Agentic product: inventory agent, offer generation, pricing agent
    • Automated price updates from invoices to shelf labels to checkout (12 steps → 1)
    • Internal acceleration: shorter dev cycles; sales reps “coding to win deals”
    • Moat argument: heavy-asset, regulated, operational complexity is harder to copy
  13. 20:36 – 22:11

    The hidden retail arms race: Walmart and Amazon vs. everyone else

    Brandon zooms out to the macro landscape: major incumbents are racing to reinvent physical retail with AI, but most of the market lacks access to that level of technology. Vori positions itself as the enabler for independent and regional grocers to compete.

    • ‘$1.5T race’ to define the future of American retail
    • Walmart filing retail AI patents; Amazon doubling down on physical grocery
    • Walmart + Amazon represent ~25% of grocery; the remaining ~75% underserved
    • Opportunity: bring enterprise-grade tech to 200k+ locations
    • Long-term modernization potential extends globally
  14. 22:11 – 25:32

    Lowest point and the reliability lesson: the ‘don’t mess with the dairy order’ story

    Brandon shares a near-disastrous operational failure when a critical dairy order was dropped, threatening Vori’s reputation early on. The team salvaged the relationship through extreme customer service, reinforcing reliability as a core principle.

    • Dropped Clover Dairy order at 5 a.m. created a store crisis
    • Dairy as essential (community needs + traffic-driving loss leader)
    • Superhero support: rented a refrigerated truck, bought items retail, delivered on time
    • Turned a failure into a loyalty story customers still repeat
    • Cultural principle: reliability and ‘giving a shit’ as a startup advantage
  15. 25:32 – 28:16

    What’s next: the self-driving grocery store and financial services layer

    Brandon outlines Vori’s long-term ambition to become the clearinghouse for trade in the global food supply chain, starting with scaling to thousands of stores. He describes a ‘self-driving grocery’ vision built across systems of record, action (agents), and transaction, expanding into payables and capital.

    • Near-term milestone: 100M ARR via ~3,000 stores
    • Vision: Vori powering a ‘self-driving grocery store’ (augmentation, not replacement)
    • Three layers: system of record, system of action, system of transaction
    • Payments already ~60% of revenue; expand into supplier bill-pay and financing
    • Future: embedded financial services to help stores grow and modernize

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