
Why most public speaking advice is wrong—and how to finally overcome anxiety | Tristan de Montebello
Tristan de Montebello (guest), Lenny Rachitsky (host)
In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, featuring Tristan de Montebello and Lenny Rachitsky, Why most public speaking advice is wrong—and how to finally overcome anxiety | Tristan de Montebello explores transform Public Speaking: Flow, Games, And Ditching Bad Advice Forever Tristan de Montebello, co‑creator of UltraSpeaking, argues that public speaking is a meta-skill that, once improved, upgrades nearly every area of life—from work to relationships and self-confidence.
Transform Public Speaking: Flow, Games, And Ditching Bad Advice Forever
Tristan de Montebello, co‑creator of UltraSpeaking, argues that public speaking is a meta-skill that, once improved, upgrades nearly every area of life—from work to relationships and self-confidence.
He reframes speaking as a subconscious, flow-oriented activity we’re evolutionarily built for, and claims most advice overemphasizes scripts, tactics, and memorization instead of fixing root causes like anxiety, overthinking, and lack of conviction.
Through live on-air exercises, he demonstrates game-based training (e.g., Conductor, Triple Step, conviction prompts) that create ‘safe turbulence’ so people can practice staying present, expressive, and confident under pressure.
He also shares practical preparation frameworks like the Accordion Method and Bow-and-Arrow Technique to craft talks that are clear, memorable, and internalized rather than rigidly memorized.
Key Takeaways
Treat public speaking as a meta-skill, not a niche talent.
Improving speaking doesn’t just help with presentations; it boosts confidence, leadership, relationships, and how you show up in every room. ...
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Aim for flow, not perfection or tactics overload.
We speak best when we’re not thinking about speaking—when we’re immersed in the message and the audience. ...
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If you don’t enjoy speaking, you’re probably doing it wrong.
Enjoyment is a barometer: when you’re speaking like yourself (conversationally, not in a ‘public speaking voice’), communication is naturally rewarding and connecting. ...
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Look up, end strong, and stay in character to project confidence.
Three simple behavioral shifts: ‘think up’ instead of looking down when searching for words, use summary prompts to land your answers decisively (“So my point is…”), and never voice your insecurities mid-talk. ...
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Use games to create low-stakes ‘turbulence’ and build resilience.
Exercises like Conductor (varying intensity), Triple Step (weaving in random words), and conviction prompts intentionally disrupt your comfort so you can practice recovering gracefully. ...
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Prepare talks by speaking, not writing: apply the Accordion Method.
Instead of scripting, repeatedly give your talk in shrinking time windows (e. ...
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Design every talk—and every slide—around a single ‘one thing’.
Using the Bow-and-Arrow Technique, define the one sentence you’d be happy for people to remember, then add only the stories, data, and examples that add weight to that idea. ...
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Notable Quotes
“Speaking is not a specialized skill, it's a meta-skill. That means that the better you get at speaking, the better your life gets.”
— Tristan de Montebello
“The day I understood that speaking was a subconscious, flow-oriented process and not a conscious process completely changed the way I approached it.”
— Tristan de Montebello
“If you don't enjoy speaking, you're doing it wrong.”
— Tristan de Montebello
“Pros are just amateurs who've learned to recover gracefully from their mistakes.”
— Tristan de Montebello (quoting Kevin Kelly)
“Most of us focus more on what we want to say than what we want our audience to remember.”
— Tristan de Montebello
Questions Answered in This Episode
How would your speaking change if your only goal was to enjoy it more instead of to “do it right”?
Tristan de Montebello, co‑creator of UltraSpeaking, argues that public speaking is a meta-skill that, once improved, upgrades nearly every area of life—from work to relationships and self-confidence.
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In your next talk or meeting, what is the single ‘one thing’ you actually want people to remember afterward?
He reframes speaking as a subconscious, flow-oriented activity we’re evolutionarily built for, and claims most advice overemphasizes scripts, tactics, and memorization instead of fixing root causes like anxiety, overthinking, and lack of conviction.
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Where do you most often ‘leak’—apologizing, hedging, or undercutting yourself—and what would it look like to stay in character instead?
Through live on-air exercises, he demonstrates game-based training (e. ...
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Which part of your speaking software feels most ‘buggy’ right now: pausing, expressing emotion, conviction, or handling surprises?
He also shares practical preparation frameworks like the Accordion Method and Bow-and-Arrow Technique to craft talks that are clear, memorable, and internalized rather than rigidly memorized.
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If you used the Accordion Method on a key story or pitch you give often, what might you cut—and what powerful core might emerge?
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Transcript Preview
People tend to get into a, a public speaking voice. We'll be in a class and they'll be chatting normally and, and look super normal, and then we'll say, "Okay, now just a timer, I'm just gonna give you a speech. Just speak for 60 seconds so we get a baseline." And I click play and suddenly they say, "The important part about doing this..." And they enter into a different version of themselves, a professional version, whatever that would mean. It's so much more freeing, powerful, connecting and effective to speak conversationally. So the cue I often give people is... (instrumental music)
Today my guest is Tristan DeMontebello. Tristan is the co-creator of Ultra Speaking, which is the best public speaking workshop I have ever come across. In 2017, Tristan became the fastest competitor to reach the finals of the World Championship of Public Speaking, and based on that experience, built a very unique course that helps you quickly build the skills to become better and to become more comfortable speaking in public, and especially speaking on the spot. I like to spend time on this topic, uh, on this podcast because becoming a better speaker is such an accelerant of your professional life, and in this episode we delve into a bunch of tactics and also misconceptions about how to become a better speaker. And to make it even more fun and interesting, we go through a few of the exercises that Tristan and his team have developed live on the podcast. He goes through 'em, I go through them. It was a lot of fun. I'm excited to hear what you think. If you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe and follow it in your favorite podcasting app or YouTube. It's the best way to avoid missing future episodes, and it helps the podcast tremendously. With that, I bring you Tristan DeMontebello. Tristan, thank you so much for joining me and welcome to the podcast.
Thanks so much for having me.
So I took a, an abridged version of this speaking course that you teach called Ultra- Ultra Speaking, and it immediately made me feel more comfortable public speaking, which I have never felt doing any other course. Public speaking is something I just, like, is very s- uh, scary to me, as it is for a lot of people, but it's just something I really dread. Like, even doing these podcast episodes, every time I get nervous before doing these things, as much as it may not seem that way. So this is not my natural habitat, speaking, being in public. Like, it may not seem that way to people, but it's, it's true. And the way you approach this stuff is so unique and worked for me. And because of that, I thought it'd be awesome to just bring you on this podcast and basically try to teach people the stuff that you've learned about how to become a pub- b- better public speaker. I know we're not gonna do your course here, but just like what are some very tactical things people can immediately start to apply? And also, I wanna make this super interactive so we'll actually do some of the exercises that you, uh, use in your class. So, so that's what we're here for. How does that sound?
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