Lessons from a 2-time unicorn builder, 50-time startup advisor and 20-time board member | Uri Levine

Lessons from a 2-time unicorn builder, 50-time startup advisor and 20-time board member | Uri Levine

Lenny's PodcastJun 9, 20241h 22m

Lenny Rachitsky (host), Uri Levine (guest)

Falling in love with the problem versus the solutionValidating startup ideas and assessing problem sizeProduct-market fit, retention, and iterative failureCompany-building phases and maintaining ruthless focusHiring, firing, and making hard people decisionsFundraising strategy, storytelling, and pitch structureUnderstanding and observing users to drive product design

In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, featuring Lenny Rachitsky and Uri Levine, Lessons from a 2-time unicorn builder, 50-time startup advisor and 20-time board member | Uri Levine explores unicorn founder Uri Levine: Build startups by worshiping real problems Uri Levine, co-founder of Waze and multiple other startups, argues that enduring startup success comes from "falling in love with the problem, not the solution." He explains how to validate problems, navigate the messy path to product-market fit, and stay focused on one phase of the journey at a time. Uri shares tactical frameworks for hiring and firing, talking to users, and structuring fundraising pitches that resonate with investors. Throughout, he emphasizes iteration, simplicity, and the courage to make hard decisions quickly—especially when it comes to people.

Unicorn founder Uri Levine: Build startups by worshiping real problems

Uri Levine, co-founder of Waze and multiple other startups, argues that enduring startup success comes from "falling in love with the problem, not the solution." He explains how to validate problems, navigate the messy path to product-market fit, and stay focused on one phase of the journey at a time. Uri shares tactical frameworks for hiring and firing, talking to users, and structuring fundraising pitches that resonate with investors. Throughout, he emphasizes iteration, simplicity, and the courage to make hard decisions quickly—especially when it comes to people.

Key Takeaways

Start with a real, meaningful problem—and validate it with strangers.

Levine insists every startup should begin with a problem big enough that the world is clearly better if it’s solved. ...

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You must personally be in love with the problem to survive the journey.

The startup road is long, hard, and failure-heavy, so opportunistic ideas without deep founder passion rarely endure. ...

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Treat product-market fit as a long, iterative, failure-heavy search measured by retention.

Most of a startup’s early years are spent trying and discarding approaches until users keep coming back. ...

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Focus on one phase at a time: PMF, then growth, then business model (or vice versa).

Each stage—finding product-market fit, figuring out growth, and nailing the business model—requires different org focus and resource allocation. ...

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Make people decisions fast: use a 30-day hiring test and fire decisively.

Levine’s rule: 30 days after hiring, ask, “Knowing what I know now, would I hire this person again? ...

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Fundraising is a storytelling game: lead with your strongest point and design slides accordingly.

Investors decide quickly whether they like the CEO and the story, often within seconds. ...

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Understand users by watching what they actually do and asking why.

Different user segments adopt and use products in very different ways, often unlike how founders themselves behave. ...

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Notable Quotes

Fall in love with the problem. And then actually what you're trying to do is engage everyone else to fall in love with the same problem.

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If you're afraid to fail, then in reality you already failed because you're not going to try.

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Every time that you hire someone new, mark your calendars for 30 days down the road and ask yourself one question: 'Knowing what I know today, would I hire this person?' If the answer is no, fire them immediately.

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Most people are missing the most important slide of their presentation. It's the first slide. This slide is going to be presented for the longest period of time. This is the place that you're gonna put your strongest point.

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If you start your story with 'our company is…', you focus on your solution. If your story starts with 'the problem we are solving is…', you focus on the problem. If your story starts with 'the value we create for you is…', you focus on the user.

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Questions Answered in This Episode

How do you practically distinguish between a problem you’re personally obsessed with and one that’s truly big enough for a venture-scale business?

Uri Levine, co-founder of Waze and multiple other startups, argues that enduring startup success comes from "falling in love with the problem, not the solution. ...

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When iterating toward product-market fit, how do you decide which user feedback to prioritize and which to ignore so you don’t build a Franken-product?

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In the 30-day hiring test, how do you balance being decisive with giving people enough time and support to ramp up in complex roles?

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What specific techniques do you recommend for simplifying a product without accidentally removing features that matter deeply to a smaller but critical user segment?

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Given that investors often want confident answers, how honest should founders be about the uncertainties around growth channels and business models in early fundraising pitches?

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Transcript Preview

Lenny Rachitsky

You've co-founded 10 different companies. You've been on the board of 20. You've also built two unicorns, including Waze. The biggest startup lesson you seem to have taken out of that is to...

Uri Levine

Fall in love. Fall in love. Fall in love. Fall in love with the problem. And then actually what you're trying to do is engage everyone else to fall in love with the same problem, to go into this journey, into this path, and follow your leadership there.

Lenny Rachitsky

Anything you wanted to share around hiring/firing?

Uri Levine

Every time that you hire someone new, mark your calendars for 30 days down the road and ask yourself one question: "Knowing what I know today, would I hire this person?" If the answer is no, fire them immediately.

Lenny Rachitsky

Let's actually talk about fundraising.

Uri Levine

Most people are missing the most important slide of their presentation. It's the first slide. This slide is going to be presented for the longest period of time. This is the place that you're gonna put your strongest point. Uh, the second most important slide is the last one.

Lenny Rachitsky

(Intro music) Today my guest is Uri Levine. Uri is the co-founder of Waze and nine other companies. He sold two companies for over a billion dollars. He's also been on 20 different startup boards, including a dozen he's still currently on. He's also advised over 50 founders and startups over his career. More recently, he wrote a book that summarizes all of his advice for founders called Fall in Love With the Problem, Not the Solution: A Handbook for Entrepreneurs. In the forward to the book, Steve Wozniak said, "This book will change your life and become your bible if you're an entrepreneur." And I cannot disagree with that. This book is very tactical with amazing stories, and walks you through the ideation phase all the way to exiting your company. In my conversation with Uri, we chat about many of my favorite chapters, including why falling in love with the problem is so important, how to find product market fit, a really clever tactic for firing people who aren't a fit for your company, a ton of really genius tactical advice for improving your fundraising pitch, and so much more. With that, I bring you Uri Levine. And if you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe and follow it in your favorite podcasting app or YouTube. It's the best way to avoid missing future episodes, and it helps the podcast tremendously. Uri, thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the podcast.

Uri Levine

Thank you. Happy to be here.

Lenny Rachitsky

Okay, so here's what I've gathered about your career, and let me know if I've missed anything. You've co-founded 10 different companies, including four you're still operating. You've been on the board of 20 companies. You've advised 50, maybe more companies. You've also built two unicorns, including Waze, which you sold for over a billion dollars, which back then was an astronomical amount money. It still is. So does that all sound right? Is there anything big I missed about your career? (laughs)

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