
Product lessons from Waymo | Shweta Shrivastava (Waymo, Amazon, Cisco)
Shweta Shrivastava (guest), Lenny Rachitsky (host), Narrator
In this episode of Lenny's Podcast, featuring Shweta Shrivastava and Lenny Rachitsky, Product lessons from Waymo | Shweta Shrivastava (Waymo, Amazon, Cisco) explores waymo’s Product Playbook: Safety, Trust, and Long-Game Autonomy Strategy Shweta Shrivastava, Senior Director of Product at Waymo, explains how Waymo builds, validates, and scales fully autonomous ride-hailing, and how this differs from traditional software and driver-assist systems. She dives into how the team encodes human-like “body language” into cars, balances extreme safety with practical progress, and measures performance against human driving. Beyond Waymo, she shares broad product lessons from Amazon, Cisco, and startups, emphasizing working backwards from customer problems, self-disruption, and disciplined focus. She closes with career advice for PMs on listening, challenging assumptions, and optimizing for impact rather than promotions.
Waymo’s Product Playbook: Safety, Trust, and Long-Game Autonomy Strategy
Shweta Shrivastava, Senior Director of Product at Waymo, explains how Waymo builds, validates, and scales fully autonomous ride-hailing, and how this differs from traditional software and driver-assist systems. She dives into how the team encodes human-like “body language” into cars, balances extreme safety with practical progress, and measures performance against human driving. Beyond Waymo, she shares broad product lessons from Amazon, Cisco, and startups, emphasizing working backwards from customer problems, self-disruption, and disciplined focus. She closes with career advice for PMs on listening, challenging assumptions, and optimizing for impact rather than promotions.
Key Takeaways
Design autonomous cars to feel human-like but safer than humans.
Waymo trains deep learning models on good human driving data (while discarding bad behavior) so the car can interpret intent (e. ...
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Trust is a holistic product outcome, not a single feature.
Trust comes from many small design choices: cautious yet smooth driving, obeying speed limits but slowing more on steep downhills, giving riders visibility into what the car sees, and providing rider support that can intervene or assist when needed.
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Safety reshapes the concept of MVP in hard-tech products.
In autonomous driving, you cannot “ship fast and break things”; the minimum viable product must clear a very high safety bar before public deployment, even though you still aspire to iterative improvement in the real world.
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Measure autonomy against human driving, not in isolation.
Waymo benchmarks itself against human drivers on metrics like collisions per 100,000 miles, undue slowdowns, stranding events, rescue interventions, and how much it slows surrounding traffic, with the goal of being clearly safer and sufficiently assertive.
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Commercial progress is as critical as technical progress for continued investment.
To maintain long-term backing from Alphabet and other investors, Waymo focuses on demonstrable milestones: paid public services in Phoenix and San Francisco, trip growth, user funnels, and operating costs—not just technical demos.
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Great product management starts with working backwards from the customer problem.
Regardless of company size, Shweta emphasizes starting from a clear user problem and value proposition (e. ...
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Listening, empathy, and challenging your own assumptions are underdeveloped but decisive PM skills.
She argues that PMs must cultivate a genuine beginner’s mindset, actively probe their own assumptions, and expect some conflict or contention; if everything feels smooth, you may not be listening deeply enough or seeing real tradeoffs.
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Notable Quotes
“It has to feel very human-like but in a good way—safer than human driving, but not unnatural.”
— Shweta Shrivastava
“The concept of MVP has a whole new meaning here at Waymo because we can’t really cut corners on safety.”
— Shweta Shrivastava
“You need to disrupt yourself before somebody else does, because it’s going to happen. It’s inevitable.”
— Shweta Shrivastava
“If you’re not proactively trying to challenge your own assumptions, then I think you might not be listening well.”
— Shweta Shrivastava
“The way to get promoted is to not want it too badly. Focus on impact and doing what’s right for the business.”
— Shweta Shrivastava
Questions Answered in This Episode
How does Waymo decide which specific driving behaviors to adopt or modify when human norms differ across cities or cultures?
Shweta Shrivastava, Senior Director of Product at Waymo, explains how Waymo builds, validates, and scales fully autonomous ride-hailing, and how this differs from traditional software and driver-assist systems. ...
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What tradeoffs has Waymo had to make between rider comfort, road-user expectations, and maximizing safety metrics?
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How might the KPIs and benchmarks for autonomous driving change once most cars on the road are autonomous rather than human-driven?
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In what ways could the 'work backwards from the customer' approach fail or mislead teams when building frontier technologies like AVs?
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How can an individual PM realistically practice ‘self-disruption’ in their own product area without destabilizing the existing business?
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... are you proactively trying to challenge your own assumptions? It's extremely important, right? I, as a beginner product manager, as well as a seasoned product leader, if you're not doing enough of that, then I think you might not be listening. If y- there's no conflict, if there's no contention, then, uh, something is missing. (laughs)
(instrumental music) Welcome to Lenny's Podcast, where I interview world class product leaders and growth experts to learn from their hard-won experiences building and growing today's most successful products. Today, my guest is Shweta Srivastava. Shweta is senior director of product management at Waymo, which, if you're not familiar with Waymo, they are building self-driving cars that are already live on the streets in San Francisco, LA, and Phoenix. I actually got to take a ride in one ahead of this chat, and you'll hear all about that in this episode. Before joining Waymo, Shweta was chief product officer at Nauto, an AI startup focusing on driver and automation safety. Before that, she was head of product management at Amazon Web Services for their database and analytic services, and before that she was at Cisco. In our conversation, we delve into what it's like to work as a PM at Waymo, and how it's both different and similar to software-only products. We talk about their KPIs and goals at Waymo, including how they track progress towards a future of self-driving cars, how they build subtle cues and behaviors into the cars to create trust for the rider and also for other cars on the road, plus Shweta's biggest lessons about building products and teams across the many companies she's worked at. I can't wait for a future of every car being self-driving, and it was super fun to learn about what goes into making this all happen. With that, I bring you Shweta Srivastava after a short word from our sponsors. This episode is brought to you by Vanta, helping you streamline your security compliance to accelerate your growth. Thousands of fast-growing companies like Gusto, Calm, Quora, and Modern Treasury trust Vanta to help build, scale, manage, and demonstrate their security and compliance programs, and get ready for audits in weeks, not months. By offering the most in-demand security and privacy frameworks such as SOC2, ISO 27001, GDPR, HIPAA, and many more, Vanta helps companies obtain the reports they need to accelerate growth, build efficient compliance processes, mitigate risks to their businesses, and build trust with external stakeholders. Over 5,000 fast-growing companies use Vanta to automate up to 90% of the work involved with SOC2 and these other frameworks. For a limited time, Lenny's Podcast listeners get $1,000 off of Vanta. Go to vanta.com/lenny. That's V-A-N-T-A dot com slash Lenny to learn more and to claim your discounts. Get started today. This episode is brought to you by public.com, who want to tell you about their new treasury accounts, which earn a 4.8% yield on your cash. That is higher than a high-yield savings account, while still being backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. Treasury yields are at a 15-year high, but buying US treasuries is super complicated. You have to go to a bank, or navigate an ancient government website, or at least that was the case. Now, you can move your cash into US treasuries with the flexibility of a bank account. You can access your cash whenever you want, even before your treasury bills hit maturity. There are no hold periods, no settlement days, just a safe place to park your cash and earn a reliable yield. Public will automatically reinvest your treasury bills at maturity, so you don't have to do anything to continue growing your yield. And you can manage your treasuries alongside stocks, ETFs, crypto, and any alternative assets. Do all your investing in one place, and earn 4.8%, a higher yield than a high-yield savings account. Only with a treasury account at public.com/lenny. Shweta, welcome to the podcast.
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