The future of AI in software development | Inbal Shani (CPO of GitHub)

... the user of the AI tools to develop software needs to form a different thinking. You need to start figuring out how are you using these AI tools to help you be successful. And it's no longer just the actual code writing, it's really evolving your thinking to the big picture, to the connected experience, to connected systems. Which today, we just find it more in the world of more senior developers and less and less in the junior developers. The junior developers when they start, usually we expect them to be able to write simple codes. But if now there is an AI assistant that is helping them writing code, they can spend more time from the get-go understanding the system, underce- understanding the environment that they're building or understanding that product that they're building, which today they don't have time because they are still learning how to code.

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