
The Secret World Of Black Holes - Dr Becky Smethurst
Dr Becky Smethurst (guest), Chris Williamson (host)
In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Dr Becky Smethurst and Chris Williamson, The Secret World Of Black Holes - Dr Becky Smethurst explores redefining Black Holes: Bright Dark Stars, Limits, and Cosmic Futures Astrophysicist Dr. Becky Smethurst explains why the term “black hole” is misleading, emphasizing that these are dense 3D stellar remnants, often among the brightest objects in the universe due to glowing infalling gas. She explores how black holes form (from massive stars, neutron stars, and direct collapse), what we know about their structure, and what remains fundamentally unknowable beyond the event horizon. The conversation covers supermassive and ultra-massive black holes, their role in galaxies, the apparent “mass gap” of intermediate black holes, and the ultimate growth limits black holes may reach. They also discuss gravitational waves, Hawking radiation, the speed limit of the universe, and the next generation of telescopes that will push black hole research forward.
Redefining Black Holes: Bright Dark Stars, Limits, and Cosmic Futures
Astrophysicist Dr. Becky Smethurst explains why the term “black hole” is misleading, emphasizing that these are dense 3D stellar remnants, often among the brightest objects in the universe due to glowing infalling gas. She explores how black holes form (from massive stars, neutron stars, and direct collapse), what we know about their structure, and what remains fundamentally unknowable beyond the event horizon. The conversation covers supermassive and ultra-massive black holes, their role in galaxies, the apparent “mass gap” of intermediate black holes, and the ultimate growth limits black holes may reach. They also discuss gravitational waves, Hawking radiation, the speed limit of the universe, and the next generation of telescopes that will push black hole research forward.
Key Takeaways
Black holes are not literal holes but ultra-dense spherical objects.
They were once stars crushed so densely that their gravity prevents even light from escaping; the “hole” image misleads people into imagining tunnels or exits that do not exist.
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Many black holes are among the brightest objects in the universe.
Gas spiraling toward black holes heats up and glows in X-ray, UV, and visible light, forming luminous accretion disks that can outshine all the stars in their host galaxies (quasars).
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Black holes spin and grow through accretion and mergers, but likely have an upper mass limit.
Their spin comes from the angular momentum of progenitor stars and infalling matter, while theory suggests a maximum mass where accretion stalls and a ‘no man’s land’ forms between the disk and the event horizon.
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We cannot directly know the state of matter inside a black hole’s event horizon.
No information can escape beyond the event horizon, so the interior is described mathematically as a singularity, though the true physical state may involve exotic matter we cannot probe or recreate.
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Supermassive black holes do not hold galaxies together by themselves.
They constitute far less than 1% of a galaxy’s mass; galaxies are bound primarily by their own self-gravity, so removing the central black hole would not cause the galaxy to fly apart.
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There is a puzzling absence of intermediate-mass black holes.
We see ‘normal’ stellar-mass black holes and supermassive ones, but almost nothing between ~100 and ~1,000,000 solar masses, suggesting a missing growth phase or formation channel that new telescopes (e. ...
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Future instruments will radically deepen our understanding of black holes.
Projects like the Extremely Large Telescope, LISA gravitational-wave observatory, and Square Kilometre Array will offer unprecedented resolution and sensitivity, enabling detailed mapping of galaxies, black hole environments, and massive black hole mergers.
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Notable Quotes
“They are neither black nor are they holes.”
— Dr. Becky Smethurst
“Black holes are some of the brightest objects in the entire universe. They light up like Christmas trees.”
— Dr. Becky Smethurst
“Inside that sphere of darkness there could be some exotic form of matter that we don't know exists yet, or there could be no form of matter that can resist collapsing down completely.”
— Dr. Becky Smethurst
“In a galaxy, the black hole is not even 1% of the entire mass of the galaxy, and if you removed it, nothing would actually happen to the galaxy.”
— Dr. Becky Smethurst
“I remember the black hole page… it was like ‘artist’s impression,’ and I’d sort of resigned myself at an early age to be like, ‘Yeah, we’ll never get an image of a black hole.’”
— Dr. Becky Smethurst
Questions Answered in This Episode
If we can never receive information from inside the event horizon, what kinds of theoretical or indirect tests could ever challenge our current picture of singularities?
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What formation scenarios are most promising to explain the missing population of intermediate-mass black holes?
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How might future observations from James Webb, ELT, or LISA change our understanding of whether galaxies or black holes come first?
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If Hawking radiation has never been observed, what would it take experimentally to confirm or rule it out in practice?
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What would a merger of two supermassive black holes look like across the electromagnetic spectrum, and how might it influence their host galaxies?
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Transcript Preview
People ask me questions like, "What's on the other side of a black hole?" Which doesn't make any sense when you realize that black holes aren't holes. They are 3D objects that were once stars that have just been crushed down until they are so, so dense that the gravity is so strong that nothing can escape from them anymore, not even light. (wind blows)
What is your problem with the name black holes?
(laughs) This is the thing. This is something I've spent my entire life, like, trying to understand, and yet I hate the name for them. I hate it so much. I don't think there's any other words in physics that have caused more misconceptions than black holes, because they are neither black nor are they holes. (laughs) Black holes. And this is, this is what bugs me about them. So, you know, people picture a black hole as this physical hole in space that stuff is, like, lost down. You know, people ask me questions like, "What's on the other side of a black hole?" Which doesn't make any sense when you realize that black holes aren't holes. They are 3D objects that were once stars that have just been crushed down until they are so, so dense that the gravity is so strong that nothing can escape it, from them anymore, not even light. They're almost like prisons for light, and I often say that a better name for them was probably dark star, but even that's not, not perfect either. So, it, I mean, I'm sure a lot of listeners could probably come up with their own (laughs) better names for them, but black hole especially is one that just, if I could go back and be like, "No, let's not call it that," back to the sort of '60s and '70s, I would. (laughs)
Who was the guy that called them black holes? What was the story with him?
Yeah. So it comes from a, a bit of a harrowing part of history, actually. Um, are you familiar with the Black Hole of Calcutta?
No.
No. So the Black Hole of Calcutta is a prison cell, um, in an old Fort William in Calcutta in India. And, um, there is this sort of tale from history where British soldiers were imprisoned in this prison cell, which was the size of three double beds. And there was about 70 soldiers imprisoned overnight in this one very cramped, tight space, and, uh, historians sort of claims estimate, you know, that around about 20 of them actually survived that one single night after being imprisoned in this such incredibly cramped quarters. And there was a physicist called, um, Robert Dicke in the '60s, who was studying what then were known as gravitationally completely collapsed objects, or GCCOs, which, again, is a term I'm quite glad that didn't stick. Um, and him and his family used to say that, you know, if something was lost in their house, "Oh, it's gone to the Black Hole of Calcutta." And so, he started to use this phrase, you know, in his academic talks as sort of, you know, as like, almost like brevity and advertising value essentially was how it was described by the physicist, uh, called Wheeler as well. And, uh, essentially, he compared the crush of matter down to the, the crush of these soldiers in this prison cell as well in the Black Hole of Calcutta. And I think when people hear about the Black Hole of Calcutta, there's lots of memorials still in Calcutta in India today, they think that the prison got its name from the astronomical object, but in fact, it's the other way around, which I think people don't realize.
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