China's Plan For Global Domination - Jamie Metzl

Let me just use this opportunity to condemn John Cena. John Cena, if you're listening to this podcast, you are a scoundrel. You're supposed to be a tough guy. That's your entire brand, and China criticizes you, and you get on your hands and knees and bark like a dog? Show some backbone. I challenge you, John Cena, to come on this podcast with me and let's have the conversation about China. (air whooshing)

So you were one of the first guys to really get onto the lab leak story. Where are we at with that now, 18 months hence?

Yeah. So I'll start in the beginning. It was late January of last year. Like everybody else, I was deeply concerned about this emerging pandemic and thinking, "Well, where does this come from?" And like most people, I thought, "Well, it sounds pretty similar to the last SARS, uh, outbreak," which we knew happened, uh, and it came from nature through markets. But then in late January of last year, I saw, um, a report in The Lancet which showed that more than a third of the, uh, earliest people being infected, um, had no contact with that now infamous, uh, seafood market in, uh, in Wuhan. Um, and then I, I kind of had, I have two perspectives, one as a person who's deeply immersed in the world of science, and another, as the other part of my life deeply immersed in Asia and China and, and geopolitics. And so something just didn't feel right when the Chinese government, um, kept talking about a, a market origin, um, when it was pretty clear to me that the evidence suggested otherwise. And then I just started digging. I really, I dove in, and the more I learned, uh, the more questions were raised about the possibility of, of a lab incident origin. And it's still not 100% proven that that's where this pandemic, um, comes from. Um, but the circumstantial evidence is just incredibly strong, and everything we learn, at least it seems to me, that it's, uh, that it's getting stronger. So we, and we'll, we'll dig into the details of this, but where we are now, uh, is in my mind, there's a very strong but still circumstantial case suggesting a very likely, uh, but not certain lab incident origin of the, uh, pandemic. Uh, China and, is really just outrageously preventing any kind of, uh, investigation into the origins of the pandemic. They're still engaged in just a massive and outrageous coverup involving destroying samples, hiding records, imprisoning people in China for asking questions. They have a gag order preventing Chinese scientists from saying or writing anything about pandemic origins without prior, uh, government approval. Um, there are some efforts to dig deeper, but we need, we need a lot more.

Is that not likely to be potentially the most evidence that we get, the purely coincidental, anecdotal, this is what it seems? Because if the Chinese government continues to stonewall as effectively as it is at the moment, then maybe we're never actually going to find out anything that's concrete. It's all just going to be best-case scenarios.