The Psychology Of Human Motivation - Ayelet Fishbach

The Psychology Of Human Motivation - Ayelet Fishbach

Modern WisdomMar 14, 20221h 4m

Ayelet Fishbach (guest), Chris Williamson (host)

Intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation and why enjoyment in the moment mattersGoal framing: approach vs. avoidance, process vs. outcome, means vs. endsManaging willpower, self-control, and the illusion of a 'better' future selfTargets, metrics, and how goal setting can backfire (Goodhart’s Law, 'what-the-hell' effect)Feedback, learning from negative feedback, and converting avoidance into approachMaintaining motivation over time: beginnings, middles, endings, and shorter cyclesSocial and relational aspects of motivation: role models, social support, and shared goals in relationships

In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Ayelet Fishbach and Chris Williamson, The Psychology Of Human Motivation - Ayelet Fishbach explores why Most Goals Fail: Designing Motivation, Not Relying On Willpower Ayelet Fishbach explains that lasting motivation depends far more on intrinsic enjoyment and smart goal design than on sheer willpower. Resolutions and long-term aims succeed when the process feels good (or meaningfully challenging), when goals are framed as approach rather than avoidance, and when we shorten the 'middle' by using nearer-term targets.

Why Most Goals Fail: Designing Motivation, Not Relying On Willpower

Ayelet Fishbach explains that lasting motivation depends far more on intrinsic enjoyment and smart goal design than on sheer willpower. Resolutions and long-term aims succeed when the process feels good (or meaningfully challenging), when goals are framed as approach rather than avoidance, and when we shorten the 'middle' by using nearer-term targets.

She argues we overestimate our future self, underestimate the power of environments, and mis-set goals as chores, vague intentions, or narrow metrics that invite cheating and 'what-the-hell' spirals. Instead, we should engineer situations, anticipate temptations, and interpret setbacks as lack of progress rather than lack of commitment.

Fishbach also highlights the critical role of feedback, social support, and shared goals in relationships, showing that feeling known and instrumentally useful to each other’s aims is central to strong bonds. Throughout, she distinguishes between pursuing meaningful destinations and getting lost in means, emphasizing that goals must be both inspiring and workable in daily life.

Key Takeaways

Make the process at least a bit enjoyable—or it will fail.

Long-term resolutions (fitness, saving, learning) only stick if there is some intrinsic reward in doing them now, even if it’s small or constantly updated (e. ...

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Frame goals as approach goals and define what you’ll do instead.

‘Do not’ goals (don’t smoke, don’t check phone, don’t eat X) feel like chores, trigger reactance, and make the forbidden more salient. ...

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Design environments and situations, don’t depend on willpower.

It’s easier to change context than character: remove temptations, add supports, and structure spaces and routines that make the desired behavior the path of least resistance. ...

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Set inspiring destinations but break them into short, repeating targets.

You need a clear long-term goal (degree, fitness, savings), but motivation often dips in the 'middle. ...

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Use targets carefully; avoid cheating the metric and ‘what-the-hell’ spirals.

Numeric goals (pace times, calories, steps, sales quotas) motivate but also invite gaming (step-count wrist flicking, water restriction before weigh-ins) and all-or-nothing thinking when slightly missed. ...

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Treat setbacks as low progress, not low commitment.

When people see a lapse as proof they’re 'not the kind of person' who can do it, they quit; if they see it as simply insufficient progress, the logical response is to adjust and try harder. ...

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Leverage social support and shared goals to strengthen both motivation and relationships.

We are more motivated when others visibly care about our success and when we work on shared projects. ...

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Notable Quotes

No one has enough willpower, so let’s just not count on willpower.

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If it’s not fun, that’s not going to work.

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Your goal needs to be a goal, not a chore.

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There should never be a what-the-hell effect.

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Successful relationships require that you need each other.

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Questions Answered in This Episode

How can I redesign one of my current 'do not' goals into a specific, attractive approach goal that I actually want to do daily?

Ayelet Fishbach explains that lasting motivation depends far more on intrinsic enjoyment and smart goal design than on sheer willpower. ...

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Where am I relying on willpower instead of restructuring my environment, and what concrete changes could I make this week to flip that?

She argues we overestimate our future self, underestimate the power of environments, and mis-set goals as chores, vague intentions, or narrow metrics that invite cheating and 'what-the-hell' spirals. ...

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Which of my long-term goals currently suffer from a long, demotivating 'middle,' and how could I break them into shorter, repeating targets?

Fishbach also highlights the critical role of feedback, social support, and shared goals in relationships, showing that feeling known and instrumentally useful to each other’s aims is central to strong bonds. ...

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In what ways might my existing metrics (weight, revenue, followers, etc.) be encouraging me to game the system rather than truly pursue my underlying goal?

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How well do the key people in my life actually know and support my goals—and what conversations or shared projects could strengthen that mutual understanding?

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Transcript Preview

Ayelet Fishbach

Saying that I don't have enough willpower, well, uh, you know, no one has enough willpower. The problem with self-control is that first, we need to identify that there is a problem. (laughs) Okay? We need to identify a conflict. And the second challenge is doing something about it once you realize that this is a behavior, uh, that you want to change. (wind blows)

Chris Williamson

Ayelet Fishback, welcome to the show.

Ayelet Fishbach

Uh, thanks for having me. Excited to be here today.

Chris Williamson

Given the fact that we are midway through March now, how many people do you think have failed at their New Year's resolutions by this point?

Ayelet Fishbach

(laughs) Uh, well, uh, we have the data from last year. Um, I would say, uh, uh, about a, a quarter, uh, maybe a little bit more. So it's not true that everybody ditched their resolutions. Uh, that's just not the case. But, uh, uh, many did, and by November, we expect most people to drop their resolutions. So by then, we expect only like 25% to still do it till the end of the year.

Chris Williamson

I'm, I'm surprised that 75% of people are still holding on in March. I would have thought there would have been more of a drop-off by then.

Ayelet Fishbach

(laughs) Well, I, I don't, I don't know about this year. I know what, uh, like the previous d- data that we looked at. Uh, uh, and let's say they didn't lose hope, okay? They are still doing it, okay? They are still, uh, uh, trying. They're probably not doing as much as they planned, but who doesn't?

Chris Williamson

What determines whether someone sticks to a resolution or not?

Ayelet Fishbach

Uh, intrinsic motivation. Uh, that is, uh, uh, how much it feels good at the moment. It feels right, okay? They enjoy doing it, they're excited doing it. And, uh, and it's a bit surprising because the reason we set a resolution is not, uh, uh, because we enjoy doing it, okay? Like, we, we set a resolution not because it's fun to do. We don't set to eat more ice cream and watch more TV in 2022. Uh, we set a resolution that is something that's important for us. And, uh, for most people in America, that would be health-related goals, so that's about 60% of their resolutions. Um, then the second one is anything related to finance, like getting a job, sticking to my job, saving more money, and, uh, th- then we have a few, uh, others. These are not necessarily the things that people are excited to do because it's fun. And nevertheless, what predicts is how much it feels good at the moment that you pursue that resolution.

Chris Williamson

Wouldn't that mean that it's basically impossible to complete a resolution which wasn't fun in the moment?

Ayelet Fishbach

Uh, yes, that is, uh, unfortunately the, the case. Now, it's, uh, you know, some, some people set really short-term goals. Okay? Like, I, uh, you know, I need to, uh, uh, uh, do some medical checkup. And yeah, you can do that even if it's not fun, okay? You just, uh, go there and you do it and it's over. Uh, but this is not the typical resolution. The typical resolution is to eat, eat healthier food or to exercise more. And, uh, if it's not fun, that's not going to work.

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