Finding Heroic Meaning Like Stories Of Old - Tom Van Der Linden

Finding Heroic Meaning Like Stories Of Old - Tom Van Der Linden

Modern WisdomMay 14, 20221h 16m

Tom van der Linden (guest), Chris Williamson (host)

Heroic stories, ego, and the danger of grandiosityPerformative empathy, virtue signaling, and moral signaling onlineLimits of rationalism and the power of emotion and loveExistentialism: Camus, Sisyphus, absurdity, and meaning-makingLoneliness, inner depth, and the impossibility of fully knowing othersModern anxiety: information overload, fragility of systems, and x-riskReconnecting with slowness, seasonality, and embodied, practical life

In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Tom van der Linden and Chris Williamson, Finding Heroic Meaning Like Stories Of Old - Tom Van Der Linden explores finding Heroic Meaning Amid Absurdity, Ego, and Infinite Complexity Chris Williamson and Tom van der Linden (Like Stories of Old) explore how modern films, stories, and online culture reveal our search for meaning in an absurd, often overwhelming world. They examine heroic narratives, the fine line between genuine purpose and ego-driven grandiosity, and the pervasive performative nature of morality in the age of social media. Drawing on Camus, David Foster Wallace, Ernest Becker, and Interstellar, they discuss mortality, loneliness, rationalism’s limits, and whether a “true self” even exists. The conversation closes with reflections on media consumption, slowing down, and building more grounded lives and communities.

Finding Heroic Meaning Amid Absurdity, Ego, and Infinite Complexity

Chris Williamson and Tom van der Linden (Like Stories of Old) explore how modern films, stories, and online culture reveal our search for meaning in an absurd, often overwhelming world. They examine heroic narratives, the fine line between genuine purpose and ego-driven grandiosity, and the pervasive performative nature of morality in the age of social media. Drawing on Camus, David Foster Wallace, Ernest Becker, and Interstellar, they discuss mortality, loneliness, rationalism’s limits, and whether a “true self” even exists. The conversation closes with reflections on media consumption, slowing down, and building more grounded lives and communities.

Key Takeaways

Heroic narratives easily feed our natural self-centeredness.

We instinctively cast ourselves as the hero of every story, and modern heroic media can inflate unrealistic expectations about our lives and importance, especially in a social-media-driven culture of self-presentation.

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There’s a razor-thin line between heroic purpose and egoic grandiosity.

Many ostensibly altruistic actions can both help others and flatter our ego; the only reliable safeguard is continuous self-awareness of our emotional motives, biases, and hidden ideological commitments.

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Performative empathy is shallow, but not entirely worthless.

Virtue signaling—like publicizing charity or eco-concern—can be hypocritical and image-driven, yet it still produces some real-world good and may inspire others; the net effect can be positive even if motives are mixed.

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Rational knowledge doesn’t make us rational beings.

Even world experts on cognitive bias and decision-making admit they’re not much more rational in daily life, underscoring that emotions, unconscious drives, and “the elephant” still overpower the tiny rational rider.

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Existential freedom lies in rebelling against absurdity, not escaping it.

Following Camus, our condition is Sisyphus-like—fully aware of a repetitive, finite, death-bound life—yet we can still choose to affirm it, extract moments of joy, and symbolically “flip off” a universe that tells us we’re insignificant.

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We experience ourselves in infinite depth and others in shallow snapshots.

Because we live inside our own rich inner world but only see curated fragments of others, it’s easy to unconsciously treat people as less complex than we are; meaningful empathy requires actively correcting for this asymmetry.

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Modern life’s speed and convenience distort our sense of freedom and fragility.

Hyper-convenience and 24/7 information make us hypersensitive to minor inconveniences while blinding us to system fragility and interdependence; reconnecting with seasonality, slower narratives, and hands-on work can rebalance us.

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Notable Quotes

We know there's some part of existence that's fundamentally strange.

Tom van der Linden

It's such a balancing act between wanting to do good and not having that impact overly inflate your ego.

Tom van der Linden

If more knowledge isn’t necessarily the solution, then it is something else.

Chris Williamson

Everything about the universe screams to you that you’re insignificant, and then to say, ‘I’m going to make this have meaning anyway’ is a very powerful act.

Tom van der Linden

You’re a paradox living inside of a paradox: a finite creature surrounded by infinite complexity, with infinite depth inside yourself.

Chris Williamson

Questions Answered in This Episode

How can someone practically distinguish between genuinely serving others and subtly serving their own ego in their work or activism?

Chris Williamson and Tom van der Linden (Like Stories of Old) explore how modern films, stories, and online culture reveal our search for meaning in an absurd, often overwhelming world. ...

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If there is no stable ‘true self’ beneath our conflicts and contradictions, what should guide our moral choices and long-term commitments?

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How much “performative” good is acceptable if it still produces real benefits, and where should we draw ethical lines on virtue signaling?

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Given the limits of rationalism, what role should emotion, love, and intuition play in how we make big life decisions?

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In a world of information overload and systemic fragility, what concrete steps can individuals take to reclaim a slower, more grounded sense of meaning?

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Transcript Preview

Tom van der Linden

We know there's some part of existence that's fundamentally strange. We sometimes have the realization that something very ordinary seems fundamentally alien-like to us. That's, I think, us becoming aware of our Sisyphus-like fate. When you become Sisyphus who is conscious now, suddenly he's no longer, like, hopefully going about his life. Now he is, like, forced to justify it in some way, to make sense of it.

Chris Williamson

Dude, I love your stuff. I think that your channel is absolutely fantastic.

Tom van der Linden

Mm-hmm. Thanks. (laughs)

Chris Williamson

That, it's, it's one of my favorite things on the internet. For the people who don't know, it's Like Stories of Old YouTube channel.

Tom van der Linden

Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson

How would you describe... Let's say you meet someone at a party and they say, "Oh, you do YouTube."

Tom van der Linden

Yeah.

Chris Williamson

"What, what do you YouTube about?" What do you say?

Tom van der Linden

I- i- it's the worst question. It, it depends on the person, like, how familiar they are with the YouTube space. If I can see, like, they're, like, a normal person who doesn't have, like, the super high awareness about what YouTube means, (laughs) I'll just say, like, "Uh, I make short documentaries, like..." or something like that. Um, sometimes I'll just say, like, uh, "I make video essays." And they'll, of course people will ask, like, "Oh, what's a video essay?" And then it's, it, it's like an essay, but except it has video with it. (laughs) And it depends, you can, you can often quickly, like, sense, uh, if a person is, like, really interested or if it was just asking out of politeness, so, um, yeah. Depending on how they, on their attitude, I will expand more or elaborate more on... Um, I think the, the longer, more complicated answer would be, like, I'll say that it's a combination between, like, examining philosophy and doing media analysis and sort of exploring the relation between the two.

Chris Williamson

Yeah, I've had the, uh, "So what's your podcast about?" question 100 times-

Tom van der Linden

Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson

... since I've been in Austin, and, uh, I, I still am yet to come up with a good succinct answer-

Tom van der Linden

Mm-hmm.

Chris Williamson

... that isn't five minutes long, and someone didn't want the five-minute-long answer.

Tom van der Linden

(laughs)

Chris Williamson

They wanted me to say, "Oh, it's about Ultimate Frisbee," or, "It's about World of Warcraft," or, "It's about porn," or something, um, like they, they just wanted, like, a one-word answer. I'm like, "I'm sorry, I can't, I can't give you that." So, t- tie together, what's, is there a common thread that does tie together all of the videos that you do, or is it just your, whatever your curiosity has in store that day?

Tom van der Linden

Um, I think what the channel name originally referred to, Like Stories of Old, is the idea that you have movies which is, relatively speaking, a new form of art. Like, it's been around for, like, just over a century. Uh, video games as well, it's even newer. And then, the idea was that even those new forms of art, they still have or still carry, like, the timeless wisdom like the stories of old, you know? So, that's kind of what I, what I set out to do, that was sort of the premise of the channel, that I wanted to kind of get a sense of the timeless within the contemporary art forms, and also that in doing so, like, explore why I'm still so, why I'm so drawn to all of these things. Like, why do certain movies become, like, my favorite movies? Like, why do they evoke, like, deep emotions within me, or why do films from filmmakers, like, far away resonate with me, like, very strongly even though I share nothing with them, like, on the surface level? And so, yeah, that's, uh, that's kind of how it came to be, and I think that's an element that keeps being, like, a cornerstone of the videos.

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