Jordan Peterson - How To Add Urgency & Purpose To Life

You're in this job you hate, and it's 10 years from now. How does that look? Think about that. You already know you're in a little hell. You know perfectly well it's gonna get worse. Which is more frightening, action or inaction?

Dr. Jordan Peterson, welcome to the show.

Hi, Chris. Thanks for the invitation.

Have you got bored of people telling you that they're glad you're back yet?

No. You'd, I think you'd have to be foolish to be bored about that. I mean, eh, I don't ever want to get to the point where I take people's s- s- sincere well-wishes, uh, you know, casually. I'm always, uh, stunned and grateful that people care. And so, no, it's definitely not. And I'm surprised that I'm, seem to be moving towards some health. And so, no, (laughs) definitely not.

Well, add another one to the list. I'm glad that you're back.

Thank you. Thank you. I'm, I'm looking forward to this, to, to, to being back and to doing all the things that are in front of me that I couldn't do if I was healthy.

So are we. So are we. What's the story with you and Red Skull?

(laughs) Well, I don't know. I mean, I came across this last week, and, and someone tweeted me this, this cartoon, this comic, Captain America comic. And I saw this screenshot of Red Skull looking at a computer screen, and it said, "10 rules for life." That was one text box. It said, "Order and chaos." And there was a couple of other boxes. And I thought, wow, that seems to be making a reference to my work. I mean, 10 rules for life is pretty close to 12 rules for life. And of course, the main themes I discuss are order and chaos. Um, I mean, one book is about order, and the other's about chaos. And my first book is about both. So it was a joke, you know, associating my ideas with this arch-villain, magic, super-Nazi Red Skull. And then, as I looked into it more deeply, and as people sent me more information, it became clear that at least some of the inspiration (laughs) for this Red Skull character in this Captain America, uh, variant was, appeared to be targeting, let's say, or satirizing, or warning about, um, my ideas. And so I've been playing with that ever since, I suppose, on Twitter. Uh, people are producing memes now of Red Skull o- superimposed upon the picture of him things I've actually said instead of the hypothetical things that the people who don't like me wish I said and then purposefully misinterpret. And so that's that. And, um, it's, I'm trying to make it into something playful. It, it's so absurd. It shocked me to begin with. I couldn't believe it, to begin with, it, especially when I found out who the author of the comic book was. So, um, you know, he's a intellectual figure among the leftist community, uh, relatively well-known, um, and politically correct. And, um, I, I didn't expect it. It, it really threw me for a loop to begin with. I mean, it's really something to see yourself portrayed, let's say, parodied, satirized, um, as a n- I've been called a Nazi before. It's not pleasant, but this is one step beyond that. I mean, Nazi apparently isn't enough. I have to be a magical super-Nazi-